What recreational improvements, opportunities, experiences and visitors’ facilities would you like to see at the Cudlee Creek forest?

We are preparing a fire recovery strategy for the Cudlee Creek Forest Reserve to guide the redevelopment of the affected areas and the re-establishment of the Fox Creek Mountain Bike Park.

We want your ideas on how you would use the future Cudlee Creek Forest Reserve and Fox Creek Mountain Bike Park.

Let us know by submitting your idea below or give a thumbs up or down for any existing idea.

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Dylan Marshall

10 Jun 2020

Toilet Facilities would be good too and bottom but preferably bottom as you can get down quicker than up. Trails as they were before fires were awesome!

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Dylan Marshall

11 Jun 2020

Hi Dylan,

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

p.s: we agree on the toilets :-)

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Carey Hannaford

10 Jun 2020

Would like to expand the downhill trails network and also ensure the downhill trails are not shared use for safety reasons. The current setup is really good but to maintain the tourist draw card as SAs best downhill track system we need to ensure hikers are not on the downhill specific trails. The MTB community has some great ideas for improvement. The kids at the local schools are also heavily involved in the MTB community so it also provides a safe place for young people to learn new skills and get fit. Other than toilets and a couple of bins at the top car park there really isn’t too much in the way of improvements that I can think of other than ensuring the Downhill tracks remain free of hikers (for everyone’s safety), and this could be done by better signage

Erica Womersley > Carey Hannaford

10 Jun 2020

Agreed hikers and walkers should not share the same paths, but some that allow viewing of the MBs would be great.

Stefan Trotta > Carey Hannaford

11 Jun 2020

Black Runs I agree however as a rider and trail runner I think that other lower consequence trails like green and blue should be shared with signage to alert non riders to move the the side of the trail when bikes are approaching. Trail running and mtb can co exist and would mean a larger user base overall and support for the network.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Carey Hannaford

11 Jun 2020

Hi Carey,

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

p.s. great idea re the local schools. We will follow this one up.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

Julian Monfries > Carey Hannaford

12 Jun 2020

I agree that there needs to be a separation of bikers and hikers, in particular the Heysen Trail (which predates the bikes BTW). Water and toilets yes! Bins NO! Rubbish in rubbish out!

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Mark Gaskin

10 Jun 2020

I would love to see extended XC loops that go deeper into the forest as well as basic amenities like toilets, drinking water and a few bins.

Stefan Trotta > Mark Gaskin

11 Jun 2020

Agree longer XC trails would be great.

Sandy Quigley > Mark Gaskin

14 Jun 2020

No bins,
Agreed. Rubbish in, rubbish out

Jarrad McCann > Mark Gaskin

16 Jun 2020

Bins are most likely a bad idea unless only used for events somehow, people should take there garbage with them.

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Carlo Carlo

10 Jun 2020

yes toilets like the ones at Eagle MTB park and drinking water would be ace. the trails are already pretty good.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Carlo Carlo

11 Jun 2020

Hey Carlo

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

ps. we're hearing you on the toilets and water.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Michael Foot

10 Jun 2020

Hut and shelter facilities throughout
Better signage and trail linkage based on Blue Derby
Orienteering courses
Campsites

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Michael Foot

11 Jun 2020

Hey Michael, you read our minds. Camping or glamping?

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

Alex Blackburn > Michael Foot

17 Jun 2020

Camp sites would be wicked! Make a weekend out of it.

Agree Blue Derby is an excellent benchmark. And a massive tourist draw.

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Caelum Schild

10 Jun 2020

Improvements:
-Increase the network of MTB trails, ideally the downhill network, but also some more XC options would be great.

Opportunities:
-Re-build Fox Creek into a national and even international standard MTB Park, helping to attract many more tourists to the region.

Visitors' Facilities:
-Toilets at least at the bottom car park off Fox Creek Rd
-An Adelaide Hills Council 'blue bin' to be collected by East Waste with the regular waste collection at both the top and bottom car park.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Caelum Schild

11 Jun 2020

Hi Caelum,

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Ps. Ha ha we have the DH riders wanting loo's at the bottom and XC riders wanting them at the top. We can try for both.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

Julian Monfries > Caelum Schild

12 Jun 2020

I believe waste disposal is the responsibility of the waste provider. The old adage leave only tire tracks, take only photos holds fast. Having bins only promotes laziness and the opportunity for non bikers to dump rubbish

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Nic Parkyn

10 Jun 2020

Toilet facilities and improved signage at the trailheads would be an excellent improvement. More green trails with an extension to the skills development area near the top car park would also be excellent for younger riders and beginners. This could be complemented by improved seating and picnic tables to enable families to enjoy that area more. Building ‘north shore’ type features in the pine forest area would also be a draw card for more advanced riders. Extending the XC trails deeper into the forest could be done with a view to creating an epic trail, along the lines of the bay of fires trail in Tasmania, while also catering to those who need something more challenging. The plan used by councils in Tasmania (Derby, St Helens, Railton) is a great road map for what could be done here to make Fox better for all users and benefit the wider hills region.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Nic Parkyn

11 Jun 2020

Hi Nic, we're loving the vision!

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Jack Tibby

10 Jun 2020

Dual slalom track between pattos and blue groove to allow for extra fun on race days and group ride days.

Also a dedicated jump line at the bottom that's easier and safer to access than the one at the end of lone gum

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Jack Tibby

11 Jun 2020

Hi Jack,

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Barry Bradley

10 Jun 2020

Trails
Better downhill tracks that compare better features wise to what you find interstate. You can't make the hill bigger, but you can add more technical stuff. Of course this would include A, B and C lines.
A greater network of All Mountain type trails that also included more technical and fun features. As it was, a lot of the tracks are very much the same mundane kind of thing.

Facilities
Toilets top and bottom like the ones at Eagles would be a huge bonus for riders and non riders.
Shelters top and bottom along with rubbish bins.
Larger car parking areas top and bottom, both with a dedicated area for drop off and pick up for downhill riders.
Some sort of supply of drinking water would be nice but would have to be safe if not mains supplied.
Bitumen aggregate used in the car parks to keep dust down and help them last longer as the entry to the bottom does get pretty beat up with pot holes.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Barry Bradley

11 Jun 2020

Hi Barry, thanks for the awesome input.

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
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Craig Markby

11 Jun 2020

Internal vehicle track within the park to transport riders to top would be great. It would remove a large volume of traffic from Croft Rd reducing dust, (one hectare of vines has been removed because of this problem) and of course the residents (not many, but they are impacted enormously on 'event' weekends). It would lessen the frequency of retrieving vehicles that have slid off the Off Camber Bends on Croft Rd, and reduce the frequency of transport cars/mini buses/utes/vans cutting corners on blind bends. A head on collision is just waiting to happen and no one wants that. So if we could "internalise" the traffic within the park boundaries in getting from bottom to top and back would be a dream outcome for the Adelaide Hills Council and it's rate payers. The reduced need for maintenance required on Croft Rd since the fire is significant, It's not really designed for such high pulses of traffic, it's loose gravelly shoulders on off cambers waiting to capture the inattentive, the blind corners the steep pinches catching out manual transmissions. A really good example of an internal road network is at the old PIRSA research station at Lenswood. It's privately owned now, but the govt departments are fully aware of it. Fully tarmacked, just like so many park facilities in OZ and around the globe. It can be done, it's $$ but would be a brilliant fillip for the park, easy on the vehicles, safer on Croft Rd without the dust and danger. The road could be a one way ring road to avoid collisions. Toilets Obviously, Top and Bottom and water seems pretty sensible.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Craig Markby

11 Jun 2020

Hi Craig, yes we agree. The Croft rd situation is not ideal and we are working with the Adelaide Hills Council on this and also looking at internal shuttling routes.

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Ben fenwick

11 Jun 2020

A few things I feel are certainly necessary at fox are.

Toilets and water stations.

Specifically designed and designated down hill MTB runs

Xc specific loops that allow rides to ride high km if inclined.

Bigger car parking area to allow fox to hold bigger events.

Chair lifts to allow dh organizers to saftley operate runs on practice and race days.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Ben fenwick

11 Jun 2020

Hi Ben,

Agree
Agree
Agree
Agree and
would internal shuttling do? Chair lifts are seriously expensive :-)

Thanks for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Joshua Keltie

11 Jun 2020

I'd like to see a targeted expansion of the trail network aimed at making Fox Creek a unique, world class destination. While i really enjoyed the existing trail network, there is huge opportunity to diversify the riding experience on offer with some different styles of trails. For example, i would love to see a top to bottom larger scale jumps trail, with multiple lines of varying difficulty and size. Some steeper, more difficult technical trails would be excellent. An upgrade of green smoothie into a smoother, more flowy and progressive green trail would also be good to cater for the growing number of people just getting into the sport. If the land is available, i would be interested in a long, scenic cross country loop linking into places like Montacute CP and Mount Misery. This could also incorporate the Fox Creek - River Torrens descent originally proposed in the AMLR MTB Destination Plan. A permanent dual slalom track would also be unique in SA.
If new trails are built, I believe there is an opportunity to make these iconic, drawcard trails that can be marketed to bring more visitors the the park. Most travel destinations have at least one iconic trail you immediately associate with it, off the top of my head: Bright has Hero Trail, Mt Buller has the Alpine Epic and Derby has Detonate, Kumma Gutza, Air Ya Garn, Blue Tier etc. The bush fires give a nice blank canvas to put Fox Creek on that list!

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Joshua Keltie

11 Jun 2020

Hey Joshua, thanks for your awesome feedback. Your point on the iconic trail rings true and we are keen to hear ideas about these opportunities.

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

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Jarrad McCann

16 Jun 2020

I’d like to suggest something along the lines of a blue perimeter loop trail that enables access to the whole area and trail starts/junctions. (Maybe a replanting of native shrubs alongside this trail?) . Toilets are long overdue, a drinking water tap would be awesome. 🙏

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Steve Dedrick

14 Jun 2020

More trails! aim for the sky! FOX could become one of the best trail networks in Australia and be nationally recognised as a must ride destination, a wider and more extensive variety of trails, world standard trails for national/international competitions/events, a greater infrastructure of signage is important, NO BINS - people take their rubbish with them, bins just create lazy litter bugs, toilets yes,

But just as important I think is the natural restoration around the trails

Fox can definitely be an amazing hub again, and even a more traditional bike park

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Alyssa Fox

18 Jun 2020

Desperately need Croft rd sealed from fox creek road to Anderson hill. There are lots of near misses.
Toilets, water fountain, bbqs and table and chairs are needed at fox ck top car park and bottom car park.....if it’s not pushing it...some kind of basic kids commando course, slacklining..something for kids to do while other family members are racing.
It’s so good seeing all generations young and those older (that are young at heart and crazy fit) out riding the trails. Fox creek was the best place to ride before the bushfire. The only problem was blackberries taking over. My husband offered to spray the blackberries (where required on tracks) with his own equipment and spray but he was refused. Unsure how dense they will come back after the fires.
Plenty of tracks before the fires, the tracks just need to be repaired and maintained.
Tracks were awesome!
Specific signage for bike tracks only, and Better marked trails for walkers.
We desperately need fox creek back!! ❤️

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John Stell

27 Jun 2020

Hi, toilets would be great, either at the top or bottom car park.
Bituminise Croft road and car parks
Link trail between the bottom of ducks guts and middle earth
Another climb trail from the bottom of ant logic as an alternative to climbing ivy.
The biggest thing would be a general weatherproofing of the trails to manage runoff and reduce erosion
Mountain biking is changing too - ebike riders look for technical uphill trails, and longer loops, so including these would be great.
Overall - more great trails please!

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Andrew Burley

17 Jun 2020

1. I would like to see the Mawson trail improved by re-routing it through to take more advantage of the forest and to include a 'cycle in' (no vehicle access) campsite for bikepacking. This could also provide another option for hikers passing through.

2. Up to date signage and new trail markers throughout park... and more of that freaky weird stuff like the skull with the jacket on lol

3. A trailhead shelter with water, maps, seats etc. (not sure if the old one is still there?) - XC vs DH fight to decide if its top or bottom.

3. A jumps line with progressive skill options e.g. table top jumps progressing to gap jumps for skills development

4. More variety of trail types - the flow trails are fantastic, but a variety of styles would complement it

5. More trails! Is there enough land to get an IMBA Epic trail in there somewhere? Lets try and get Fox Creek on this list. Is there other holdings we can link up to achieve it? https://www.imba.com/ride/where-to-ride/imba-epics

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Wade Schwartz

28 Jun 2020

Be great to see some permanent steel and deck style (low maintenance) features somewhere in fox creek, skinnies, see saw, drops etc in places, would be great to have somewhere slow paced too that are balance\slow speed focused to have a play around on.

Toilets a must too

more campgrounds close to trails would be awesome!

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Charles McNeilage

03 Jul 2020

Expand the trail network into adjacent valleys with linking trails to existing network.
Build an epic trail to link the park to the city or Cleland or both.
Plan and build more trails in the currently used valleys , looking at logical places to add link trails - eg a cross over from the bottom part of middle earth to dream weaver, this would take riders going up away from riders coming down Ducks guts, Fox fast etc.
More trails of all grades.
Toilets of course.

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Sandy Quigley

14 Jun 2020

I thinks we can all agree Fox creek is a truly wonderful state mountain bike venue. Having ridden the park for many years with my children including competition with inside line, there really isn't much to change other than perhaps toilets, shelter and user pays BBQ facilities. BTW take your rubbish home!
In my opinion, if we really want to produce a world class facility it's not at Cudlee Creek. We should really be looking towards a venue more local to Adelaide such as Clelands with a chair lift. The funds produced from such a venue could then contribute to enhance the many other amazing state mountain bike locations.
Happy to volunteer via the way of design/construction/project management.

Jeremy Cullinan > Sandy Quigley

27 Jun 2020

I agree with Sandy. Cleland is a unique opportunity to develop an easily accessible world class trail system! This would be great for tourism.

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Alex Blackburn

17 Jun 2020

Picnic / BBQ / Family areas with toilets would be awesome near the top or bottom carpark to make it more of a family environment and give a place to relax before,after a ride.

Extending the trail network of course, adding a few longer runs and perhaps another climb to the top. The recently (ish) built blue flow tracks are really awesome. A good full restoration of Green Smoothie would also be excellent.

Lastly, shuttles are super popular and for good reason. It would be fantastic to be able to shuttle up to some of the tracks at the back of the network like Ant Logic.

Alex Blackburn > Alex Blackburn

17 Jun 2020

And an Epic trail. Not only wicked fun but a huge tourist draw card. The one at Mt Buller is awesome fun.

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Brett Spears

18 Jun 2020

Trails were already absolutely fantastic ! but whilst there is an opportunity to rebuild, adding some new trails and any new trail features, will be absolutely welcomed !!! Done right, this has the opportunity to inject millions into the economy.
No need for bins. I agree with the other comments here. Everyone is responsible for their own rubbish/waste.
Love your work everyone!

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Dani Bradley

29 Jun 2020

There needs to be toilet and shelter facilities at both the top and bottom car park areas for Fox to be more environmentally, female and kid friendly. There needs to be better signage and suggested loops (like at Derby) for those who are new to the area. Specific mtn bike and walking trails that are designated for use would be safer than the current format. I would like to see a group campsite area for school OED camps and other camping (not glamping) groups. A graduated skills development area to practice specific skills would be great to see (like at Stromlo ACT and Whistler, CA).

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Emma Houghton

03 Jul 2020

I haven't seen any mention of looking after habitats for wildlife in here - it is vital that clear paths are made so that people don't stray into these habitats. I would like to see more protection of indigenous species in this area to help wildlife return to these areas.

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Emma Houghton

03 Jul 2020

Cudlee Creek was part of the Peramangk peoples land, before they were decimated by disease. Indeed Cudlee Creek itself is thought to be derived from the Peramangk for 'dingo creek', long before the dingos were made extinct here.

History is important to our current lives - it enriches our understanding of our land and of our decisions. If we are not to lose touch with the rich and vast heritage of this area we should celebrate its ancient tracks on which trails like the Heysen and Mawson were based. This could be done through interpretive signs or sculptures, and by highlighting the Indigenous names of trails and places.

Taingappa, for example, is a track that follows the Marne River from Wongulla to the foot of Mount Crawford. This was an important trade route that linked the Peramangk and Nunguruku peoples.

Tii-taka, a Sit and Trade Place at Mount Crawford, was an area where large groups of people from all over would come to meet and trade. It is recorded that over 1000 people would gather here at any one time in the late autumn for ceremonies and trade, and semi-permanent camps were located here for much of the year.

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Robert Beaumont

03 Jul 2020

Many people are too old or infirm (or frankly not fit enough) to enjoy this wonderful area. Whilst we want to be careful not to intrude on hikers, bikers etc enjoyment it would be great to have a ranger lead a group of up to 15 nature lover's 4WD verhicles on a slow tour of the trails. I would envisage a ranger vehicle at both the front and rear of the convoy. Sadly this is the only way my wife would be able to experince this. I am sure many people would be more than happy to pay for this privelage.

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Mark Schefe

13 Jun 2020

To make this into a world class facility I wonder how his might be possible as I believe we will need all the support infrastructure as well as the trails, such as bike hire repairs,cafeteria, uplift services, trail maintenence, toilets, showers and possibly cabins or camping, glamping. This also then places extra demand on services such as power, water, sewerage which would have to be balanced with national park regulations, requirements.

Croft road the way it is definitely poses a high safety risk to all users, and this needs to be changed or fixed even if nothing nothing else is done, otherwise it will only be a matter of time before a serious accident occurs.

Putting a lot of facilities in an area that is a high fire risk area is not a very smart idea either. The safety risk of all this has to be balanced with what is built.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Mark Schefe

13 Jun 2020

Hi Mark, Thanks for your great insights, particularly around Croft Rd and fire risk. Just as an aside, Cudlee Creek Forest Reserve is a ForestrySA property under the ForestrySA Act - its not a national park :-)

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

Mark Schefe > Mark Schefe

13 Jun 2020

Thankyou for the prompt reply and technical correction. I am a Project Mamager by profession and am happy to offer my services to help on this project where possible. Would it be possible to meet with you for a discussion please?

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Alex Wilson

13 Jun 2020

I would like to see the fire trial network opened up for 4 wheel drivers and campers. There is a great opportunity to attract more people into the Adelaide hills region and boost local economies.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Alex Wilson

13 Jun 2020

Hi Alex,
Thanks for your feedback. We're not sure there is enough room to safely facilitate 4WD access at Cudlee Creek specifically. This area is designated for passive recreation which provides a safe environment for walking, running, riding and other passive past times. Camping is a definite possibility.

ForestrySA is planning to develop a Recreation Strategy for its Mount Lofty Ranges estate (mt Crawford, Kuitpo and Second Valley). We are hoping there may be a more suitable area for 4WDs, noting the management of fire tracks is our priority and full scale access may not be possible. Watch out for that engagement later in the year - we'd be very happy to hear your thoughts.

Cheers
The Cudlee Creek Forest Trails team

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Edward Bugess

10 Jun 2020

With the development of any paths in the Cudlee Creek forest, there must be a separation between any walking trail and any bike trail. Walkers and cyclists do not mix well on joint trails. Inconsiderate bikers are too dangerous for walkers.

Steve Braunsthal > Edward Bugess

10 Jun 2020

It works both ways, let me assure you. Perhaps inconsiderate people in general are the problem?

Barry Bradley > Edward Bugess

10 Jun 2020

I agree, there is no shortage of rude inconsiderate people from both sides.
We are all out in the fresh air getting exercise in whatever way we prefer.
As the saying goes, courtesy is contagious.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Edward Bugess

11 Jun 2020

Hi Edward, thanks for your feedback. This is an important point and we have noted this.

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

Julian Monfries > Edward Bugess

12 Jun 2020

Agree, bike/walker separation would be ideal! Walkers generally don't have warning devices!

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Coleen Schibrowski

10 Jun 2020

Some type of lift to pull bike and rider back up the hill would be awesome if it was possible.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Coleen Schibrowski

11 Jun 2020

Hi Coleen, that's what legs are for! or an E-bike? Seriously though, a chair lift option is likely to be cost prohibitive. We may have to settle for supporting local shuttling services. Thanks for your feedback.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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