Do you agree that, with rare exception, children in SA should be fully vaccinated for age as a condition of enrolment into early childhood services?

Read the Early Childhood Services and Immunisation Discussion Paper and join in the conversation below.

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Jamila Bost

03 Jun 2019

I fully and passionately agree with this. Barring medical reasons (Verified by an actual doctor, or multiple, even), there is no scientific or logical reason not to vaccinate your children, and yourself.

Felix Wilson

03 Jun 2019

Completely agree. I am the son of a person who suffered from Polio and still suffers the after effects to this day. Had the vaccine been around a life time of operations and impaired mobility would have been avoided. I think that vaccines have been so successful that people have forgotten the benefits they bring. Also too much Dr. Google

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SA Health > Felix Wilson

03 Jun 2019

Hi Felix, thank you for taking the time to share your story with us and participate in this consultation.

Adam Henderson

03 Jun 2019

All children should be vaccinated barring an autoimmune disease or similar that makes it unsafe for them.

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SA Health > Adam Henderson

03 Jun 2019

Hi Adam, thanks for participating in the discussion. There are medical reasons why a child may be not be vaccinated and these children would be
considered to have a medical exemption to vaccination. As you described, a child would be exempt if they are immunocompromised due to illness (e.g.
leukaemia, cancer, HIV) or medical treatments (e.g. high-dose steroids or chemotherapy). Thanks again for your input.

Imogen Allen

03 Jun 2019

Yes, absolutely. The only allowable exceptions should be medical and verified by a doctor.

Peter Monk

03 Jun 2019

Agreed. We are now starting to see the outcomes of the breakdown of herd immunity and it puts at risk children who, for legitimate reasons, cannot be immunised.

David Kempster

02 Jun 2019

I most certainly agree. Both my children were vaccinated, as was I, and I see no reason to allow those who are not vaccinated for reasons of parental gullibility to put at risk those who can't be vaccinated for genuine medical reasons. Anti-vax is a conspiracy theory as idiotic as anti-fluoride or chem-trails in the sky, and should be treated with the same respect- none.

Andrew Buch

02 Jun 2019

Immunise the antivaxx dummies. Forced immunizations otherwise fines. Dont punish the children.

David Kempster > Andrew Buch

02 Jun 2019

Pity we can't immunise against stupidity and gullibility.

Paul Allen > Andrew Buch

03 Jun 2019

Funny how you don't use any scientific references Andrew Buch. Maybe the 'dummies' are the ones who get their information only from the channel 9 news or the people that make money from selling them. Perhaps you should be subjected to enforced education on unbiased research.

Ash Curnow

02 Jun 2019

Strongly agree. Policy should be based on scientific knowledge and advice, not driven by misinformation spread by a disbarred, corrupt ex-doctor and a spent playboy model. Anti-vaxx campaigners are causing outbreaks of preventable diseases, and spread misinformation and outright lies to further their ideology. They should not be able to play games with public health.

Paul Allen > Ash Curnow

03 Jun 2019

Strongly agree Ash, look at research like this.
Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990-2010.
Goldman GS1, Miller NZ.

Inam Darwish

02 Jun 2019

I agree!

Parents who do not want to vaccinate their children may do so, however, they should not put everyone else's children's lives at risk for their own personal choice! Making vaccinations mandatory before entering early childhood services will save lives! The science is out!

Alistair Edwards

02 Jun 2019

Strongly agree.

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that vaccines work as intended with few exceptions. The opinions of laypersons should not be factored into issues that a) directly impact others' innocent children and b) require specialised education and well-developed critical thought processes to fully comprehend.

Parents should have the right to choose what is best for their children. However when those choices impact the well-being of others in their communities, their choice is no longer benign. Herd immunity is an important factor in the efficacy of immunisation, and willingly diminishing herd immunity in any institute should (I think) be considered criminally negligent. Those children who are genuinely incapable of receiving vaccinations for medical reasons are the primary victims of this action.

If a parent does not wish to vaccinate their child, then that is their prerogative, even if I strongly disagree with it on behalf of their child whose trust they are violating. But I cannot stress enough that it is unacceptable that these parents are allowed to inflict their ignorance on others' vulnerable children.

In conclusion: a parent can choose not to vaccinate their child, but that choice should at the very least be accompanied by restrictions (such as blocked enrolment into early childhood services) in an effort to bolster herd immunity.

Leah Hudson

02 Jun 2019

Completely disagree. These mandates are driven by profit - not health. Outbreaks still occur in 99% and 100% vaccinated populations because the vaccines are ineffective. It has nothing to do with the healthy unvaccinated who have not been injected with these poisons.

https://vaccine.guide/effectiveness-outbreaks-herd-immunity/outbreaks-in-vaccinated-populations/major-measles-epidemic-in-the-region-of-quebec-despite-a-99-percent-vaccine-coverage/

https://vaccine.guide/effectiveness-outbreaks-herd-immunity/outbreaks-in-vaccinated-populations/major-measles-epidemic-in-the-region-of-quebec-despite-a-99-percent-vaccine-coverage/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm

Inam Darwish > Leah Hudson

02 Jun 2019

Hi there,

One summary of a retrospective medical article done over twenty years ago and a news article is not enough evidence for you to suggest that herd immunity does not work. That is not how evidence based practice works! You need to show us a medical study that is high on the evidence hierarchy (ie systematic review) to atleast make a statement like that! Please look at all the evidence out there before making up your mind - by cherry picking articles you can make any sort of claim appear true.

Paul Allen > Leah Hudson

23 Jun 2019

Sorry Inam. I missed where you posted the research. The one showing the long term health outcomes are improved by repeatedly injecting these toxins into our children. The one that compares overall long term health of vaxxed to unvaccinated. You seem to be all about the research so perhaps you can help out.

Louise Allonby-neve

31 May 2019

I’d like to report how difficult it was for our family to register our children’s overseas vaccinations with Medicare when we arrived in Australia. Despite bringing full vaccination records from UK and New Zealand, it was too labour intensive for our GP to want to record that both children were in fact up to date with all required vaccines.
Please include a review of how to include immigrant children in Medicare vaccination records - we even received multiple letters from Medicare telling us our children were putting others at risk by being unvaccinated . I contacted my MP about this - but it seemed no one was interested.

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SA Health > Louise Allonby-neve

31 May 2019

Hi Louise, thanks for sharing your comment/concern with us. Your feedback is appreciated and assists us to identify issues of concern, to develop the proposals and identify any additional options or proposals for reform not already identified. Once the consultation concludes, all the submissions received will be included in an analysis of the impacts of the various options and proposals.

Amanda Smith > Louise Allonby-neve

31 May 2019

Hi Louise,
I am a RN who works in GP giving immunisations. Most surgeries have nurses available who generally have the time to report these vaccines to AIR (National Immunisation Website) . Sometimes the overseas vaccines can be quite unfamiliar, but nurses have access to places like NARI (newly arrived refugee immunisations) clinics who can decipher and record accordingly. Nurses and patients also have access to speak to The Immunisation Co ordination Unit who can assist also and make sure it is recorded promptly.

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SA Health > Louise Allonby-neve

31 May 2019

Hi Amanda, we appreciate you sharing your expertise and advice on this matter!

Louise Allonby-neve > Louise Allonby-neve

31 May 2019

It took over 8 years for a practice nurse to finally upload all the information to Medicare and only as because she saw it as a challenge that needed meeting!
None of the vaccinations listed were in anyway unfamiliar to Australian vaccinations by the way, and yes, I work in healthcare and still can’t beli what a challenge this was.

Wylde Kathy

31 May 2019

No I do not agree with this enforced immunisation. I think parents should have a choice in how and when they immunise their children. I am concerned that 17 vaccinations are required for children, some of which are close together. There are other options of immunising through Naturopaths using homeopathic choices which are less invasive. I think these methods should be investigated and offered as a choice as well. My concerns are that vaccinations contain toxic chemicals which can affect children's development and brain.

Amanda Smith > Wylde Kathy

31 May 2019

Less invasive and not effective. Oh dear. A very un/misinformed response. Please do your research (legitimate research) before dangerously putting children at risk. What about the parents of children who you are foolishly putting at risk?

Marbel Sackbearer > Wylde Kathy

31 May 2019

Don't talk sh it. Natropaths don't stop children dieing of polio. You choosing not to vaccinate your children because you are gullible enough to read everything off facebook. Comprimises our societies herd immunity. This is an antisocial behaviour and should be treated by the government as such, those who don't want to engage with society are entitled to none of it's benefits. If you want to be stupid, please go it alone.

Jade Philp > Wylde Kathy

31 May 2019

I agree with this! It would be good if they would make exemptions for people actively protecting their children with other methods such as homeopathic prophylaxis etc. Not a one size fits all regimen!

Marbel Sackbearer > Wylde Kathy

31 May 2019

Now I respect the prestigious RTO that your homeopath attended for all those weeks, and I acknowledge that the standard stay at home mum can do research far better than those stuffed shirts in those dog and pony shows they call medical schools. But unfortunately the government doesn't value our homeopathy as much as standard medicine, just because we don't show any measurable results (unfair).

Although, to be honest I'm not a total subscriber to homeopathy, I instead subscribe to a much more results based belief in plague vectors. By spreading these diseases we infact will create a generation of survivors who will be stronger than ever.

Time to sort the creme from the milk, am I right fellow believers!

Leah Hudson > Wylde Kathy

02 Jun 2019

Marbel - you are clearly only believing whatever the media and government spoonfeed you. They are both controlled by the companies that profit from vaccines.

No "anti vaxxer" just believes what they read on facebook. We've studied the true history of vaccines that proves they were not responsible for disease mortality decline eg smallpox. Read Dissolving Illusions by Dr Suzanne Humphries, google Vaccines Did Not Save Us and have a read of this. (Polio never disappeared, it was just reclassified and renamed to give the illusion the vaccine worked, when all it did was cause more cases).

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-2-2/

And this is without even going into the vaccine injuries and deaths. No vaccine has ever been proven safe against a placebo - not singly or in the combinations they're given. But they are scientifically linked to everything from autoimmume disorders to seizures, brain damage and cancer. I'll post links to compilations of peer reviewed studies below. I can guarantee I've read 50 x the amount of science that anyone who vaccinates has. Because if you knew what the science is actually saying, you would refuse to vaccinate.

We're the ones believing random facebook info? People who vaccinate have bought the lie that vaccines are safe and effective when neither of these things have been proven, ever. It's a marketing slogan - nothing more.

https://ummeahmad.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/miscellaneous-vaccine-studies-scientific-citations/

https://www.scribd.com/document/196005066/Vaccine-Research-SAAD

Phillip Monk > Wylde Kathy

02 Jun 2019

Good news, Kathy - immunisation isn't enforced. You're free to subject your kids to all the communicable diseases that peer-reviewed modern medicine has largely contained in the last hundred years. Just don't bring your un-immunised kids near anyone else's and you're good. It's a win-win!

Paul Allen > Wylde Kathy

03 Jun 2019

You have every right to be concerned Wylde Kathy. Another major concern is the mortality rates as the incidence of vaccines go up and as the vaccinated become younger. HEP B for example being given to infants is abominable. Check out this study too. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28730271

Paul Allen > Wylde Kathy

03 Jun 2019

I agree with the 17 vaccines and where does it end, if big pharma can make more dollars from the struggling taxpayer they will continue their propaganda and the gullible will continue to confuse it with science. The fact that the US has one of the highest incidences of infant mortality in the developed world and the highest vaxx rate is no coincidence. What about flu virus shedding and the fact that the vaxxed shed 6 times more than the unvaxxed. Why haven't they done a study comparing the vaxxed to un vaxxed in their overall health and well being? Good comment. thanks.