Have your say on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project

We are in the planning and design stage of our Flagstaff Road Upgrade project and we are seeking your views to help inform the development of the preferred design concept.

Have your say by commenting below.

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Mark Hayward

02 Jan 2020

Pedestrian Access - Flagstaff Hill Rd currently has no pedestrian or 'shared use' access, it is critical the new road incorporates adequate pedestrian and cycling access.
Emergency Access - the properties along Flagstaff Hill Road are in a High Bushfire Risk Zone, and some properties along Sturt Gorge have limited access to escape along Brookside Road. It is imperative that existing emergency access onto Flagstaff Hill Road is maintained to ensure residents have alternate escape points in the event of fire.
Hyland Ave - the right hand turn off of Hyland Ave, onto Flagstaff Hill should be maintained. There is no evidence of this impacting traffic, with the current 'Keep Clear' signage on Flagstaff Hill Rd working well - particularly during peak hour.

Steve Viney

31 Dec 2019

It needs a resurface and better education /signage only. I don't think another prolonged road disruption is not needed. finish south road first and let us get back to not having to navigate thru a construction zone for years to come.

Kirsty Lawson

30 Dec 2019

A large dedicated bike line to fit 2 bikes width needed.

Vanessa Stewart

30 Dec 2019

Bike lane and footpath would be required

Ryan Schultz

30 Dec 2019

Make it 2 lanes up, 2 lanes down and no cyclists allowed they are always on it early morning hogging the road pulling out infront of me making.it difficult to pass

Shane Richardson

30 Dec 2019

Two lanes either way and a cycleway would be ideal to separate the cars and cyclists. Do us all a favour though and please wait until all the other local roadworks are finished before getting started on this project.

Glynn Cawthorne

23 Dec 2019

Make it wider so there's a slip lane for the people who live there or people will be trying to cross to lanes.

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DPTI Community Relations > Glynn Cawthorne

24 Dec 2019

Hi Glynn,

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project.

Your suggestion has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff. If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards,

DPTI Community Engagement Team

Rodney Baker

22 Dec 2019

How about adding grade separation of the Marion/South/Flagstaff intersection while you’re at it?

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DPTI Community Relations > Rodney Baker

24 Dec 2019

Hi Rodney,

Thank you for your feedback.

Your comments have been forwarded onto the project team for consideration.

Further information on the project is available at www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff. If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Kind regards,

DPTI Community Engagement Team

Christopher Millington

20 Dec 2019

Roads are not just for vehicles, just consider the needs of cyclists and the increasing use of e-bikes and scooters and design for the future both for the local and larger urban commutes.

Deb Anderson > Christopher Millington

21 Dec 2019

E-bikes, e-skateboards and scooters as well as gophers for the elderly are definitely rapidly increasing. A dedicated bike way could accommodate all these people in a way they feel safe and give benefits to many in the local area, including businesses.

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DPTI Community Relations > Christopher Millington

24 Dec 2019

Hi Christopher and Deb,

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to road users.

Your comments have been forwarded onto the project team for consideration.

If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage at www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff and sign up to receive future project updates.

Kind regards,

DPTI Community Engagement Team

Deb Anderson

20 Dec 2019

A dedicated cycle path is a must for those speedy cyclists going down hill. It's sometimes hard for drivers of cars to judge their speed when trying to turn in front of fast cyclists or overtaking more than one. Pedestrians might be mowed down if they share the path with bikes going downhill - cyclists travel fast these days, especially on this type of hill. Accidents may occur if bicycles are not considered properly, let's avoid these problems by careful and proper planning from the start.

Christopher Millington > Deb Anderson

20 Dec 2019

Definitely needs usable and protected bike paths (with berms) in both directions. The road is a well used commute route that should connect easily with routes into the City and other areas. Unfortunately the Darlington upgrade so far seems to have paid very littel attention to the need for viable and safe bike paths.

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DPTI Community Relations > Deb Anderson

24 Dec 2019

Hi Deb and Christopher,

Thank you for taking time to provide feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to use of the road by bike riders.

Your comments have been forwarded onto the project team for consideration.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff

Regards,

DPTI Community Engagement Team

Phil Hollands

18 Dec 2019

Southbound (uphill) absolutely no right hand turns into either ELLY Ct or private property.

In Brisbane in particular the no right turn in enforced by having a raised medium strip.

Also agree with all the previous comments about provision for proper and segregated bike and pedestrian access

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DPTI Community Relations > Phil Hollands

18 Dec 2019

Hi Phil

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to turning movements and prevention thereof, as well as vulnerable road users.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the design of the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed. Your feedback has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Matt Brennan

17 Dec 2019

Please make sure cycling infrastructure is included. Currently there is a bike lane up and the bike lane down ceases where the lanes merge. I dont ride down here often but I see many riders using the road during the week.
A shared path will not work - pedestrians will need their own access down the hill.
Please get this right in the planning - the resurfacing of Black rd between South and Flagstaff Rd was such a lost opportunity.

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DPTI Community Relations > Matt Brennan

18 Dec 2019

Hi Matt

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to the use of the road by bike riders and pedestrians.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the design of the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed. Your feedback has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Matt Starczak

17 Dec 2019

I've seen the pain markers as I ride up and down the road.
I've looked at the affected planned area.
What i can't see is any mention of how the upgrade will impact cyclists.
I would hope that we won't be shoved onto some dinky shared path with angry pedestrians and their dogs.
I would also hope that whatever accommodation is made for cyclists will be a consistent gradient and not a random path arrived at by the cheapest option like that alongside the Southern Expressway.

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DPTI Community Relations > Matt Starczak

17 Dec 2019

Hi Matt

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to use of the road by bike riders, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Ryan Bailey

16 Dec 2019

A third of all Australians ride a bike however too often the transport infrastructure doesn’t consider these road users leading to difficult conditions for both bikes and cars alike. It would be great to see this incorporated in the plan. With bike injuries on the road increasing by 5% pa, there’s an opportunity to separate bikes from cars in the stretch of road 🚲

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DPTI Community Relations > Ryan Bailey

17 Dec 2019

Hi Ryan

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to use of the road by bike riders, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Keith Baldry

16 Dec 2019

Question for your planets/engineers: How many road projects been justified by saying they will 'reduce congestion'? How many times has traffic in fact increased so there is more congestion within 2 years? It happens *every time*, there is extensive literature on it, it's why travel times are getting longer in Adelaide.

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DPTI Community Relations > Keith Baldry

17 Dec 2019

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project, Keith.

If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Stephen Crisp

16 Dec 2019

Long overdue. Like the one-way southern expressway, it boggles the mind to think that the 3 lane/overhead light option ever was decided on. My advice would be to go as wide as practical. Make it so no upgrade is needed in future once the population swells in our region. That for me means a dedicated cycleway or lanes open all hours, an access lane for homes on the western side plus possibly bus lanes. As others have stated, the speed limit should also be 70. I find myself riding the brakes and speedo watching rather than concentrating on the road. 60 is just not a practice speed for steep decents especially with the draconian over-enforcement of minor offences in this state.

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DPTI Community Relations > Stephen Crisp

17 Dec 2019

Hi Stephen

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to speed limits, vulnerable road users, access and future use, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Donna Barchiesi

15 Dec 2019

The nickname of ‘kamikaze lane’ amongst locals probably conveys locals views on the risks associated with using the switching central lane. Of particular issue is also vehicles turning right into houses or streets from the up track causing the sudden stop of up track traffic in the right hand lane.

60 kms seems too slow given that the remainder of the road is 70 kms.

Like others have noted, cyclists and pedestrians trying to use the almost non-existent road shoulder has safety concerns. A seperate multi-use pathway would be fantastic.

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DPTI Community Relations > Donna Barchiesi

17 Dec 2019

Hi Donna

Thanks for your feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to turning movements, speed limits and the safety of vulnerable road users. It’s been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Paul Eustace

15 Dec 2019

Firstly as a 20 year resident of the area who uses flagstaff hill road daily i'm still unsure as to why this upgrade is needed? ive spoken with everyone i know in the area and every electoral candidate who brought it up each election and no one has been able to give even a half reasonable answer as to why???

That aside, its going ahead so they had better get it right, I cycle up and down flaggy rd 2-3 times a week and would hope that the new design will have cycle lanes the full length up and down and also perhaps a little wider then the up track is now as i am passed 3-4 time a trip by a vehicle (usually speeding) far to close and as the police have fobbed me off every time I take in my GoPro with footage providing evidence that they wont act on i've now just decided that the GoPro is only there for when i'm killed to provide my wife with some comfort that there is hope something may be done.

The new road will hopefully have an adequate treatment so that the cycle lane is not full of rocks as they fall down off the embankment.

thanks for listening.

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DPTI Community Relations > Paul Eustace

17 Dec 2019

Hi Paul

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project and your concerns for vulnerable road users, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

The predominant reasons for the proposed upgrade are outlined at www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff. If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Steven Bailey

15 Dec 2019

It’s important that the upgrade of Flagstaff Road takes in consideration the needs of pedestrians and cyclists.
There have been longstanding plans in place provisioning a link from Hyland Avenue to Warri Parri Drive, which would separate the cycling and road traffic. This is especially on the up-track, where the current bike path suffers from fallen rocks on one side and busses on the other.

Providing a link for down cycling traffic from Warri parri drive through highland avenue, would also provide an opportunity for the cycling traffic to connect to the bike traffic to the dedicated cycling path under south road next to McDonald’s at darlington.
Putting this link in place at other times is unlikely because it requires agreement from 2 separate council regions and would improvement of the safety/social benefit of this project.

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DPTI Community Relations > Steven Bailey

17 Dec 2019

Hi Steven

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to the safety of vulnerable road users. Your feedback has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Andy Murdoch

15 Dec 2019

Have we not had enough major road works between Flaggy and the city over the past ten years? The Southern Expressway duplication took years and was immediately followed by four years of Darlington upgrade that shows no sign of finishing. It takes nearly an hour to get to the Eastern side of the city at peak hour during school term, more works will further isolate the southern suburbs.

Whilst I agree that the Expressway and Darlington Upgrade are necessary, maybe better road markings would help those confused drivers that cannot understand the road signs.

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DPTI Community Relations > Andy Murdoch

17 Dec 2019

Hi Andy

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Alex Prichard

15 Dec 2019

Can you please provide a link to the research that provides the cost benefit analysis of this project? Thank you.

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DPTI Community Relations > Alex Prichard

17 Dec 2019

Hi Alex

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road. A key benefit of the project is to reduce confusion for motorists, especially in peak hour traffic. It will make the areas much safer for drivers and reduce congestion, providing room to overtake slow moving traffic and allow emergency vehicles to proceed without being held up by other traffic.

As more information on the project becomes available please visit https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to also visit this webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Alex Prichard > Alex Prichard

02 Jan 2020

Thank you for your reply but I think we all know that it doesn't constitute either a link to a cost benefit analysis or the cost benefit analysis itself.

"reduce confusion for motorists" - what evidence (other than anecdotal) supports the assertion that confusion exists?
"make areas much safer for drivers" - I'm sure the government has numbers regarding the amount of traffic on the road, the number of accidents and the magnitude of those accidents, as well as how those statistics compare with other roads in the area/electorate/council.
"reduce congestion" - again - this is measurable. Having used Flagstaff Rd quite a lot in peak hour, congestion in the mornings occurs when there's a backlog on South or Marion Roads. Slow moving vehicles typically are found using the road in direction of traffic flow so there's already a lane for over taking.
"emergency vehicle access" - again - there will be evidence to back up the need for improved emergency vehicle access

As with any project, there will be a tipping point at which the cost of the project outweighs any benefits and I would expect that to be included in a cost benefit analysis.

The statistics I've mentioned above aren't to be found on the project page so I'd appreciate it if you could please provide a link.

Thank you!

Lisbeth Cock

15 Dec 2019

The road has been on the list for widening for a while now. A big cost is the changing of the overhead electrical signs ..but if it is changed to 4 lanes, the poles can be removed and need not be replaced. There should be double lines or cement barrier and no turns to cross them ... Hyland Ave can be connected to Brookside Road and closed off at Flagstaff Road. There should be a road made from Cameron Ave to connect the other properties from the rear.

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DPTI Community Relations > Lisbeth Cock

17 Dec 2019

Hi Lisbeth

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to separation and other road connections, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards, DPTI Community Engagement Team

Sue Coker

15 Dec 2019

Apart from needing the extra lane my big concern is the houses already on the area from the Flagstaff Hotel going up the hill. Over time there has been a lot of expansion there and the number of close calls where cars are turning into their driveways from the up track are massive. There needs to be a turn lane as there is further up

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DPTI Community Relations > Sue Coker

17 Dec 2019

Hi Sue

Thank you for providing feedback on the Flagstaff Road Upgrade project in relation to turning movements, which has been forwarded to the project team for their consideration.

DPTI is currently undertaking planning and consultation to determine the preferred design for the upgraded road and more information will be available once this process is completed.

Further information on the project is available at https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/flagstaff . If you haven’t already, we encourage you to visit the webpage and sign up to receive future project updates.

Regards DPTI Community Engagement Team