How should the Fox Creek Mountain Bike Park be managed?

The Cudlee Creek forest trails have primarily been managed through a combination of grant funding and volunteer labour.

Similar interstate parks are run by private operators who charge for use, aligned to improved infrastructure and opportunities such as internal shuttling and bike hire.  

What do you think is the best model to manage the Fox Creek MTB Park once it is restored? 

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Alan Carpenter

06 Jul 2020

The sentence: "Similar interstate parks are run by private operators who charge for use, aligned to improved infrastructure and opportunities such as internal shuttling and bike hire.", misleadingly infers that this is the case for all interstate parks when in fact it is the minority. EG Australia's undisputed premier mountain bike destination, Derby, Tasmania, does not charge riders. This introductory sentence in my view lacks objectivity and hints at a biased agenda where the outcome is already a forgone conclusion.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Alan Carpenter

06 Jul 2020

Hi Alan, no hidden agenda here! We're just trying to prompt discussion and ideas for future governance and sustainable management. The establishment and maintenance of trails at Fox has, to date, been through grant funding (for external contractors) and volunteer hours. The MTB club volunteers have done an awesome job but we need to consider a long-term management solution. Unlike other agencies, we don't have an annual budget allocation for trails at Fox Creek. Other bike parks make money through shuttling, bike hire and cafes which goes back into maintenance and new trails. So, we are simply keen to hear any ideas which could make Fox Creek more sustainable and fun.

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Julia Peacock

02 Jul 2020

The Nature Conservation Society of SA (NCSSA) would like to highlight the importance of the natural values of this area in developing any plans to rebuild or extend the mountain bike trail network.

Remnant native vegetation like that found within Cuddlee Creek Forest Reserve is really important for the conservation of biodiversity, and even within the "transition zone" there remains some areas of biodiversity value which should be protected in any future plans.

Particularly, the Reserve provides habitat for rare Mountain Gum and Manna Gum. Any rebuilt or extended trail network should therefore avoid clearing native vegetation, particularly these species of conservation concern and their habitats.

Julia Peacock, Nature Advocate, NCSSA

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Julia Peacock

02 Jul 2020

Hi Julia, thank you for your feedback. ForestrySA has a strong history of protecting and conserving biodiversity and habitats in our Native Forest Reserves. We believe there are opportunities to expand the trail network in the Cudlee Creek precinct in a sustainable manner while retaining and supporting conservation values in the area. We will be in touch directly to discuss.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

Geoff Weaver > Julia Peacock

03 Jul 2020

My experience is that Pines with their volatile oils are most highly flammable. Certainly eucalypts are also. It is the unmanaged dense regrowth that presents the greatest risk I think. I don't think pine forests are viable given the fire history. I welcome discussion. Kind Regards geoff weaver

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Julia Peacock

06 Jul 2020

Thanks Geoff, we welcome any land/fire management discussion. Fire behavior in a pine plantation is quite different to a single pine tree or small stand. Noting your comments, you may be more interested in the pine re-establishment plan than the trails strategy. Could you please email your details to recreation@forestrysa.com.au and we can get in touch.

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Geoff Weaver

28 Jun 2020

I have a vineyard that is on the Southern edge and my concern is with fire risk. We suffered significantly in the recent fires and I believe the area could be managed must better to enhance amenity and reduce fire risk.
A return to more native vegetation rather than pine regrowth would help along with cool burns in early spring. Smoke taint is a major risk for us so burns need to be finished by November at the latest and nothing till May. Happy to discuss. Kind Regards Geoff Weaver

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Geoff Weaver

02 Jul 2020

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for your feedback. We will include this in the mix of issues and also raise this directly with our Commercial Operations Manager. Studies indicate there is less fire risk from a well managed plantation than native bush. It is expected that the plantation re-establishment plan will include enhanced fire breaks and other initiatives to mitigate fire risk.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Joshua Keltie

24 Jun 2020

Personally i'd hate to see Fox become a pay to ride park, I always want to have the option of riding or shuttling for free. That being said, i wouldn't mind the option of paying for internal shuttles with the advantage of easier access to trails such as Lone Gum, Muppet's, Ant Logic and Dirty Little Secrets. You could also offer a few paid bike packing camping spots within the park, possibly on a longer back country epic trail if one is built!
If the park is popular enough, could there also be opportunities to allow things like food trucks to operate within the park at a small cost that would go towards trail maintenance etc? I know i'd often like a meal while i'm out riding! Having a bike store and/or cafe at Fox could also be a longer term way of generating revenue to go towards maintenance.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Joshua Keltie

02 Jul 2020

Hi Joshua, thanks for your feedback.

There's some great ideas here which we will include in the mix. We're definitely open to internal shuttling, camping, food and bike store ideas.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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colin blute

16 Jun 2020

Please do not allow bikes into native forest areas, we have had major and minor damage by bikes throughout our Landcare group's area. Happy to share spaces with other users but biodiversity suffers irrevocably in our very limited areas of native vegetation with extra pressures from groups who do not contribute to maintenance and rehabilitation of affected areas.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > colin blute

17 Jun 2020

Hi Colin,

We'd like to discuss this further if you could send an email with your contact details to recreation@forestrysa.com.au - Thanks :-)

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Neil Nosworthy

15 Jun 2020

As a long time bush walker and sometime mountain biker, I appreciate the effort that has been put in to develop the facilities in Cudlee Creek Forest. I am aware, however, that some bush walkers and, apparently, some mountain bikers do not appreciate the presence of each other. Accordingly I suggest that the Heysen Trail be clearly marked as "Walkers Only" - it may be appropriate to designate the major bike trails for bikes only. While this is not likely to discourage all mountain bikers from riding the trail, it should help. It may also be appropriate to install stiles or other barriers to further limit the access of bikes on the Heysen Trail. Another option may be to designate an area such as around Mt Misery for walkers only.
A further option would be to consider re-routing the Heysen Trail away from the main concentration of mountain bike trails. I understand that some consideration has been given for alternative routes for the Heysen Trail while the forest remains closed. One option might be to locate the trail further west to link up with Prairie Road although there might be issues with private landholders.
There is also an opportunity to consider improving the facilities at Grandpa's camp, in particular the installation of a toilet.
I suggest that you consult Bronte Leak (DEW) and the Friends of the Heysen Trail.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Neil Nosworthy

17 Jun 2020

Hi Neil,

Thanks so much for your feedback. We will certainly have a chat with Bronte and FoHT - great idea. It's good to receive some walking related comments!

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Michael Gore

13 Jun 2020

The biggest draw card of fox is the variety of riding on offer and its free. You can spend all day there riding trails at your own pace but also have the option of shelf shuttling or with a private operator e.g Escapegoat. I think there is definitely a need to address the safety issues with increased traffic on Croft rd, whether it be upgrading the road or looking at an internal shuttle road which would also come with its own safety & maintenance issues.

Insideline, GESA & AMBC all regularly use the park for events and are full of passionate mountain bikers. I race with two of these clubs and would be more than happy to attend organised maintenance days before or after any event. I sure most racers would also be happy to put some of there race fees towards a trail maintenance equipment and training. Or each club could establish a fund from entries to go towards major works by a trail builder each year.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Michael Gore

13 Jun 2020

Hi Michael,

We are working closely with Inside Line, AMBC, Human Projectiles and GESA who have co-funded the development of this strategy via Office of Rec and Sports grants. Great funding suggestions. Thanks

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Craig Markby

11 Jun 2020

I would like to see internal shuttling incorporated into the park for a variety of reasons. It would take the high pulse traffic volumes off Croft Rd-it has created unintended consequences from the parks own success, those being reduction of vineyard area and loss of one full time equivalent job on the property on the corner of Croft rd and Coldstore Rd, plus the knock on effect of reduced sales and market share. The Dust and noise to the residents (although few in number) is quite significant on event days and holiday periods. The reduced need for me and my staff to retrieve vehicles that slip off the Off Camber bends on Croft Rd with a tractor when we are there to help (pretty dangerous to at the best of times, worse so when others are barreling along over blind crests). The Adelaide Hills Council doesn't have to grade the road as often, I think maintenance has increased 4 fold?? with the extra traffic. It would remove the near head-ons with vehicles cutting corners on the blind crests and bends. SA Forests have just finished a 4 week logging period, there is no room for a Logging jinker going full tilt to climb an incline with on coming traffic, it's just as well the tracks were closed to bikes, an accident was very likely. So really, poor Croft Rd is not really designed for the pulse volumes it now regularly receives, it needs to be either widened and sealed or we put a track in the the park. It can be done, look at the old PIRSA research station at Lenswood (well maybe don't it's privately owned now LOL), it has a tarmacked road system. It could be a single one way loop to avoid traffic "complications" and emptying into designated drop off points, and then cruise to the bottom to do it again.
Yes, it would take $$ but I think the benefits to all are obvious and I think a significant grant that is going to improve outcomes for all is money well spent.
Privatizing the run I'm a little cold on, it's a public space. Happy with licencing to operate certain functions, even the management of the park tracks could be done this way. But I think a Grant to internalise the shuttling would be good, it more fairly spreads the cost across the community at large who use the facility rather than the Adelaide Hills Council Rate Payers who have to forgo services because of the increased upkeep of the road. Don't forget, that Bike Track is not council land, but the council is picking up the tab for the road maintenance to keep everyone reasonably safe, and it's the businesses and residents along Croft Rd who are quite acutely impacted by the current use of Croft Rd. An internal tarmacked track would alleviate all these "issues" and improve the park users experience, particularly the shuttle mules who keep the bikes going round. A one-way tarmac has got to be better than a Muddy/Dusty potholed badly cambered gravel edged road with blind crests and corners (Croft Rd)-that sounds more like a bike run, not a public road.
Now if Licencing of certain functions is to happen, then we are talking about "user pays" type of systems. This could be in the form of season passes, daily, weekend passes. Like a Ski run??? With the high patronage I don't know if the "fees" would be crippling. But if you want improved facilities I think it reasonable to ask for a fee (who's volunteering to clean the toilets ie for free?) If you want to play NetBall, Aussie Rules, Soccer, Table Tennis, Basketball, Sailing, Archery, Swimming, Target Shooting etc etc, it tends to require membership and registration or a gate fee, I think that this is the way to go to bring it up to that quality level.
We can still do volunteer stuff too, working bees to sort a problem out with the permission or assistance of Forestry SA.
This Park could be fabulous, and an internal shuttle system be it just a tarmacked ring road with private vehicles doing what they always have done but within the park itself rather than out on the public roads would be a very good place to start.
Grants and Fees plus "club" volunteering I think.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Craig Markby

13 Jun 2020

Hi Craig,

Thanks for your comprehensive feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy. It is most appreciated. Yes, Croft rd is a concern and we are working with the Adelaide Hills Council to look at improved access and safety and reducing impact.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Douglas Green

11 Jun 2020

I certainly think that making the park a commercial operation will reduce its use, especially since there are so many other great places to ride in SA for free. Sure, Fox Creek is one of, if not the, best but since the fires and its closure the riding community have looked elsewhere and are still enjoying all styles of riding.

With that being said, I would love to see the park opened up to potential business ventures (uplift services, specific pay for use trails, food/drink vans etc.). I especially think an uplift service there would really complete the part and turn it into a world class facility. So while the park is free to use, a user pays uplift service would be great.

Community dig days and volunteers are capable of maintaining other facilities (e.g. O'Halloran Hill) so I would much prefer to see that model at Fox Creek. If the decision to turn the whole park to a commercial venture is made then the riders of Adelaide would be expecting huge things, riding that you can't do anywhere else in Adelaide.

A middle ground might be some pay for use trails among the free ones, i,e. the existing trails are maintained by a volunteer crew and are free to ride but a commercial operator could be granted access to build new trails that will be a user pays service.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Douglas Green

13 Jun 2020

Hi Douglas,

Thanks for your constructive and thoughtful feedback. Great ideas in there.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Barry Bradley

10 Jun 2020

Making Fox Creek a pay to use venue will take away from what was a big draw card to it. Some interstate venues are quite expensive and this could just make people ride elsewhere which then wouldn't make it a viable option anyway.
The government wanted to make Adelaide a mountain bike destination so maybe they could allocate some of that proposed budget to Forestry that could be used to maintain the venue.
Volunteer groups are a good way to maintain some venues but are not without their down sides. As in people not really sure what they are doing, the addition or removal of features that can detract from the intent, challenge and fun of a trail or even make them unsafe or not sustainable.
There used to be a group that looked after the downhill tracks and also did some pruning and fallen tree removal from XC tracks but I've heard they no longer do this after a Forestry contractor abused them. Any volunteer group would need to be supported by Forestry to stop this occurring again.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Barry Bradley

13 Jun 2020

Hi Barry,

Thanks for your response. Your insights into volunteer support ring true and ForestrySA are keen to look at models which support volunteers and ensure appropriate and safe activities.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Coleen Schibrowski

10 Jun 2020

I don't use it but it would be great for those who do if it can continue to be run at no cost. I noticed a bit of rubbish build up in the creek at the Fox Creek Road car park. Not sure if this is the right space to comment on that but if people are going to use it and not look after it , maybe someone does need to be employed to look after things and a cost involved.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Coleen Schibrowski

13 Jun 2020

Hi Coleen,

Yes, the age old question of how to best manage a public reserve with limited resources ... thanks for your comments.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Sarah Bricher

10 Jun 2020

Please dont change it to a comercial enterprise. Volunteers ,grants, even a voluntary contribution account, so users can pay what they can afford is much better.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Sarah Bricher

13 Jun 2020

Hi Sarah,

Thanks - It's so useful to receive a comment with a constructive suggestion.

Thank you for your feedback on the development of the Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Strategy.

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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Mark Gaskin

10 Jun 2020

I think the best model is through grants and volunteer efforts.

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Cudlee Creek Forest Trails > Mark Gaskin

13 Jun 2020

Hi Mark,

First in! Thanks for your feedback. We certainly appreciate the efforts of volunteers to date!

These details have been provided to the project team for review and consideration. Once all feedback has been received, the project will review all the suggestions submitted and an update will be provided on the ForestrySA website.

Your feedback is important to us and will help inform the development of the Cudlee Creek Strategy (and Fox Creek Mountain Bike trails within it). All feedback and concerns will be considered whilst balancing the needs of the various stakeholders, as much as practically possible.

If you wish to find out more about the project, provide further feedback or register for future updates, you can contact the project team using the following details: Email: recreation@forestrysa.com.au.

Kind regards,
Cudlee Creek Forest Trails Fire Recovery Project Team

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