Kingscote Wharf Unsolicited Proposal

Come to an information session, join the online discussion below, or send in a submission via  Anna Baulderstone, Case Manager - Department of Environment, Water and Natural Resources anna.baulderstone@sa.gov.au to get involved. Some of the questions we want the community to provide feedback on are:

  • What is the best way the proposal can meet Community and Government needs? Is there more to this proposal we should be considering?
  • Do the benefits of the proposal to South Australia outweigh the costs? What do you think the benefits may be? What might the costs be?
  • Should the proposal or parts of it be open to competition? Why or why not?

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Sue Florance

08 Jul 2016

I have read with interest the Pros & Cons of this “unsolicited proposal” not that I really understand what is meant here by “unsolicited”. It appears to me that the is a mix of comments here “for” and “against” and that the main concern is the protection of the “Heritage buildings e.g. Old Police Station and Gaol which are located on the Crown Land section of land (presently under the care and control of Council) I think. The other section of land which has now been advertised seeking expressions of interest for sale (I think) is an area which is hardly ever used and presently under the care and control of DPTI …… I think I’ve got that right. Perhaps if the issue about the “Heritage buildings” can be sorted e.g. via contractual arrangements and/or encumbrances or whatever is needed to ensure that the buildings are protected into the future, for either this or other proposals that may come to light into the further, I feel this may give those worried about this aspect of development, a sense of confidence to move forward with a sound development for this area.
I note that Bickfords have a solid track record in developing unused heritage buildings incorporating them into their Micro Distillery & Brewery operations. This appears to have been a successful business model in both Renmark SA and Beenleigh QLD. After a bit of research into the Bickfords company, I have gained more confidence in the proposal presently being discussed. I have visited the Beenleigh one, which I enjoyed very much and at the time, I remember thinking to myself, what a wonderful way to preserve the history and heritage of these types of buildings with the extra bonus of creating a Micro Distillery incorporating a possible function centre, restaurant and tourist attraction for all to enjoy.
Opportunities I see for a development such as this:
• Employment opportunities
• Creation of a unique experience within walking distance of the Kingscote main street
• An opportunity to create a unique KI Ale Trail telling the stories of each brewer’s collaborations by incorporating both KI Spirits and KI Brewery into the Ale Trail experience.
• An opportunity to showcase the passion for great flavours and a commitment to regionally source local ingredients amongst the 3 businesses.
• Provide the confidence to others who may wish to develop an area which is presently dead, bringing life to the township of Kingscote.
I note that Bickford’s have indicated that their proposal will NOT have any impact on the nearby playground, BBQ facilities and the War Memorials which would remain unchanged.
I thinks it’s a great idea and I hope the proposal gets enough support to go ahead. We all know we need more industry here on KI and what a perfect spot to create a brewery which incorporates our local history and heritage. I am confident the development application process will take care of any environmental concerns, should this project get off the ground.

Good luck Bickfords ……

Tony Blight

07 Jul 2016

K.I.Tru Thai have been trading for 3 years in this area of Crown Land that K.I.Council has listed as accepted area for Food Vans which is the land that Bickfords wish to Build their micro Brewery.We have also been using the small Transport shed owned by DPTI that Bickfords have included in their Development proposal and on their plans even though they have not had any permission from DPTI to include this.In the 3 years we have been in this location we have seen the importance of this area in its current state with Tourists and locals using this grass area and playground area for picnics and family outings. I believe Bickfords Development will have no positive impact on tourism, locals or K.I.,s economy and it is not in touch with this areas current usage.I am all for Development but this concept of a Brewery in this area concerns me deeply.I believe it will not be sustainable during the Winter periods and with the cost of freight I do not understand Why K.I.This area is a very sensitive area and building a beer factory next to the playground does not feel at all right.K.I.we can do better!

Kate Brooksby

07 Jul 2016

I am concerned about this proposal for several reasons.
-I believe the community space and land should stay as that not be privately owned.
- if the land is to be sold it should be offered to all not a single pre planned buyer who has only very vague plans.
- the buildings are historically significant once they are sold and we loose that history and control over the preservation of these historic buildings.
The playground area is a beautiful free area utilised by many locals and visitors and for important services eg. Anzac Day. How much will these or future plans of private ownership adjacent this alter that.

If Bickfords want to create a brewery on KI why not purchase One of the many vacant blocks / land spaces or buildings that are for sale on the public market, I am not against development just don't think it should be development at a cost to our community spaces, assets or history.

Kath Bald

07 Jul 2016

Hi it looks like there has been some good discussion. My biggest issues with this are:
* sale of prime community land rather than leasehold
* not supporting existing local business to develop same kind of development - we have the goods just not the investment capital
* the whole wharf area now up for grabs by DPTI
* total loss of community control of a very special and irreplacable asset
*sounds like it's already a done deal
*what is the ki commissioner's stance on this and our new federal member's?
*not anti-development just anti- wrong development....

Olivia Ford

06 Jul 2016

I think the proposal is great for the Island. People are against it, I totally understand. But, think of it this way.
Kingscote is the main town of the island, right? Yet.. There is hardly anything to do in Kingscote. Here in Kangaroo Island, we are known only for wildlife and cold weather. Can't we change this and make this beautiful place known for more than that? Something needs to happen to keep people coming here.
Having Bickfords will be amazing for the island as it gives tourists another reason for tourists to come into Kingscote besides going to the Ozone or Foodland. We can't just stay like this. We definitely need to grow, and make something of our beautiful land. It's crucial. This might just be the thing we needed.

Claude de Lieven

02 Jul 2016

Will the existing buildings will be protected for demolition and replacement? If not then the idea might be worth it for the days visitors.

Amki Maher

29 Jun 2016

just curious...we have a local spirit business and a local kangaroo island brewery ...Why do we need another...it will impact these two businesses...We need to support the Local businesses that are already established...not divide the available customers with a Johny come lately

Amki Maher

29 Jun 2016

regarding this..... :a brewery next to a park....opposite a pub....What the heck are they thinking....our community deserves better...our kids need more recreation not more alcohol

KIkevin Ewings

22 Jun 2016

I have a serious issue with the idea of a distillery next to the main children's playground in Kingscote, especially after the money invested by the Lion's Club and Council to update this park, given that Federal Government passed a ban on alcohol in playgrounds to stop this influence on children???? Where is the common sense?

Jeff Bancan > KIkevin Ewings

23 Jun 2016

I'm also curious what sort of advertising will be on the sides of their trucks as they drive alongside the park.

Dale Bennett

22 Jun 2016

First thing i’d like to say is welcome to Bickford’s, to Kangaroo Island. I went down to the old police station yesterday to listen to the Bickford’s and DWENR proposal for the crown land and ask a few questions of my own. For the benefit of others reading this forum l will do my best to paraphrase the answers I received.

My first question was: is now, 2016 the best time to be selling long held land, land prices are not peaking and the island has commercial development coming that could increase the value of the land above historical levels?
#2: How do you ascertain the value in fiscal terms of said land when there is such a limited comparative sales history and the current proposal is non competitive?
A: We have two valuations on the land, one internal, one external. ...sometimes the best offer is the one you have.
#3: How many people will the site employ?
A: 3 or 4+ ...the restaurant tasting room will serve fast service food such as burgers and fish and chips.
#4: How many of those will be local?
A: We are not committing to a number but we will try to employ all the staff from the island, even the master distiller if we can find the right people. We have the capacity to train the right candidate.
#5: The brewery/distillery operation looks like it is a building short of being viable, do you plan to have any future expansion?
A: No we will never build anything on the grassed area or do anything to detract from the historical buildings.
#6: The goal is listed as a still house but shows no details?
A: The gaol will be used as an art or exhibition space or similar not a still house.
#7: There doesn't look like there is enough room in the rear building to brew beer, bier, distill, malt grain, package and store the inputs, fill a truck with finished product and conduct tastings?
A: We will buy our malt from the mainland to start with and ship our finished product to the mainland to package. ...we won’t have any whisky for at least 2 years. ...we might even supply KIB with malt in the future. ...we can put a forklift on a truck from the mainland.

I also have concerns that the historical buildings are not heritage listed and therefore not protected as others have asked. And visitor parking for the site or area has not been planned, and is being looked at separately as a part of the wharf tender in the future. It would be a shame if families with small children couldn't get a park close to the playground.

Kind and warm regards, Dale T Bennett

Jeff Bancan > Dale Bennett

22 Jun 2016

Are they intending to put any of these protections in writing, and as caveats of future sale and use of the land? Jeff B. Dale , I take it you don't have a problem with public parkland being lost to this project? Jeff B.

Dale Bennett > Dale Bennett

23 Jun 2016

Hello Jeff, I'm a very analytical person. I have a science background. I need more information to assess the plan. With caveats it could be a good proposal, if it employed only islanders, used island inputs, protected the open space, had no advertising projected towards the playground, a agreement for parking in the wharf precinct, the protection of the historical buildings, paid a more than fair price for the land or was subjected to a competitive proposal... these are a few things I question? We are not privy to everything Jeff, and we can put our voice forward but no matter how much we shout we each have only a very small voice. As hard as it might be I think a articulate considered objective voice will do more good in this situation. I guess you could say I'm not in opposition to the project but I am for the island and I'd like to see the project deliver real benefit to the local community if it goes ahead. I don't know all the details so I'm trying not to jump to conclusions as cynical as I might be.

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Dale Bennett

23 Jun 2016

Hi Dale,

Thanks for coming to talk to me on Tuesday and thanks for your comments.

Anna

Greg Simons

22 Jun 2016

Hello Anna,
Comments and questions from Sharon Simons, Kangaroo Island
I have been looking at the information provided for the public consultation and find that there is very little information available to comment on and also the plans are not complete.
The plans for the site have no car parking included and when the Bickford’s manager was asked at the consultation day if the vacant land next door was going to be the carpark he didn’t have an answer just saying that land was controlled by another department. Surely this has been considered and we are not being shown all the plans for this project.
The plans are very limited and do not have room for bottling and I was told that bottling will be done in Adelaide as it will be done for the Bickford’s new Renmark distillery. The plans show the still house in the gaol cells, when I asked about this I was told the gaol cells are for display and the still will be in the microbrewery shed??? What are the plans for when they are incorrect??? The plans also show 2 toilets in the police station and no toilets anywhere else. Is this like the car park and they have more toilets on another plan?

DEWNR will be considering the below criteria to make a report. I have put my comments and questions under each one
The Assessment Report will address five key criteria:
1. No Competing Proposals –
It is an unsolicited proposal on crown land.
2. Community Need/Government Priority –
it is crown land intended to be used by the community. Bickford’s does not need crown land when there is freehold land for sale
3. Uniqueness of the Proposal –
there are 2 microbreweries and a distillery on Kangaroo Island now and a third microbrewery about to open.
4. Value for Money –
How much are Bickford’s paying for the crown land? How much government funding are they getting? Without knowing this how can I comment.
5. Capacity and Capability of Proponent –
the plans are not detailed enough or the information about what they will be making ( Whisky, rum and vodka where all mentioned by Bickford’s manager) to understand capacity and capability. Once again can’t comment without better information. The government must have more information or they wouldn’t consider this proposal.
Can you please give me information and answers to my questions?

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Greg Simons

23 Jun 2016

Hi Sharon,

Thank you for coming to talk to us earlier this week and for joining the discussion here.

As you raise above, there are some aspects of the proposal that, if it is approved and goes ahead, will need to be worked out at the development application stage. If the purchase of land is approved, then the building plans will need to be developed, and approved by the DAP.

Car parking is one of those issues - this is controlled by Council and if Council aren't prepared to pass the development application without the addition of on-site car parking, that will affect the final design approval.

Similarly, they will have to ensure they meet development and building standards for toilets, but the designs presented are the ones that are being considered.

The plans show the buildings that Bickfords is presenting to the State Government for assessment. As you say, the stills will be in the microbrewery/distillery building and not in the gaol cells. Bickfords have indicated their intention to keep the cells as an attraction and not use them as a functional part of the distillery.

Bickfords have not asked for or been offered any Government funding for this proposal. If approved, the land sale would be for market value, assessed by an independent valuer, and the valuation checked by the Valuer-General to ensure it meets all relevant standards.

As far as the question about Capacity and Capability of the proponent, this is ordinarily assessed by looking at the proponent's business history and any experience in the field they are operating in. In this case, the assessment panel will be looking at Bickfords' experience in the beverage industry, as well as any previous similar building developments to see if projects are generally completed, compliant, and successful.

Please let me know if I've missed anything.

- Anna

Greg Simons > Greg Simons

24 Jun 2016

Hi Anna,
thank you for your answers I appreciate you taking time to answer my questions. The fact that Bickfords plans that are up for public consultation are not matching what they are telling us makes it hard for the public to make an informed opinion in consultation. I understand that the plans are actually going outside of the crown land and onto DPTI land behind the microbrewery shed. There is a shed currently there which will become gravel according to the plans on your website. Is this correct and is the DPTI land registrations of interest 27th June going to be when the rest of Bickfords plans will be submitted?

Greg Simons > Greg Simons

24 Jun 2016

Hi Anna,
I have just had another look at the plans and the red lines appear to be for land sections? Are they under different ownership and if so to who? Also the blue line appears to be around Bickfords proposal and go over the red lines. Is this going into other crown land or DPTI land? The blue area overlaps four red areas, please explain who they all belong too?

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Greg Simons

28 Jun 2016

Hi Greg,

Bickfords have submitted their proposal with the outline of the allotment that they want to purchase (the blue line). Some of this goes into the land owned by DPTI. DPTI own all the allotments on the wharf other than the two Crown land allotments with the Police Station and Gaol Cells, and the Playground and Memorials.

The portions over DPTI land will need to be assessed against any other proposals arising through the ROI.

If Bickfords' proposal is successful and a sale is approved, it would involve a subdivision and boundary realignment so the allotment sold to Bickfords would be the allotment outlined in blue.

No further plans will be submitted to Government from Bickfords. Further plans will only be submitted as part of a Development Application if the proposal is approved, and the land sold, and those plans would go to KI Council.

- Anna

Greg Simons

22 Jun 2016

I am writing to express my concerns about the Bickfords proposal, it’s no secret they will be in competition to our new brewery and that is one of my concerns. I am not concerned with completion that plays on a level playing field but under this proposal it’s obvious to me that it is not the case.
I have very little faith in consultation because I believe the government have already made their decisions and decided on what ever is “announce worthy”.
My main concerns are that it seems too dodgy, Bickfords are trying to portray themselves as a quaint little SA company that is looking to transition into brewing. I know they have been bought out by VOK beverages so the image of a small family owned business is out. They claim they will be buying local grain and providing local jobs, yet in my brewery 1 ton of malt will make 20,000 bottles so their propensity to use tonnes of local grain in my opinion is limited and the fact that they plan to bottle their product in Adelaide points to limited local jobs. Logistics would suggest they should build their new brewery in Adelaide, where their bottling plant is, but then they couldn’t cash in on the KI branding. The fact that 3 people who spoke to the Bickford’s rep came back with 3 different stories makes me wonder if they have an actual plan for the site.
There is also the fact if they will be brewing and distilling on site that they are alongside the boundaries of a marine park so their waste will have to be handled with care, being at the bottom of town close to sea level will create some problems. Also the islands power supplies if not upgraded will be stretched if they plan to brew and still here.
Bickford’s have already been granted millions for a distillery in Renmark, feedback from producers in that area suggests to me they are not liked within the industry which leads me to my next problem with the proposal. The fact that it will be highly commercialised, most tourists who come to the island are not looking for that kind of experience, in my opinion they are looking for a down to earth grass roots nature based experience, and local produce which this proposal will be at odds with and most people can see through such enterprises.
How many small breweries have started up across the state in recent years with out gifts from the govt, and without massive tourist increases and job creation.
I would much prefer to see the site stay as public land or used to support our local produce, such as maybe an island showcase. In fact I would rather see ANY south Australian company take up the site before an international interest.
I am sure my concerns will make no difference to the out comes here but I will at least feel better knowing I said something.

Greg Simons > Greg Simons

22 Jun 2016

It seems as though I should apologise for my above insinuation that VOK Beverages were not South Australian owned, my current research doesn't 100% say who does own it but it appears to be South Australian. My assumption was made on research done last year which may have been before the American branch was separated off.
Perhaps my second to last sentence can be edited out to rectify my mistake.

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Greg Simons

23 Jun 2016

Hi Greg, thanks for the clarification.

Just in case anyone was still wondering, Vok Beverages is a sister company to Bickfords. They do have some interstate operations (for example Beenleigh Rum in Qld) but all are wholly SA owned companies.

And thanks for the rest of your comments. I can assure everyone that all the comments here will be tabled to the assessment panel for consideration.

- Anna

David Cowans

21 Jun 2016

Well, this sounds like a good way to start development of this fairly run down part of Kingscote. Using the existing buildings is a good idea as it will lend character to the development. If it can be combined with new uses for the buildings towards the ocean, this could be the start of a food area in town. Maybe Ferguson's could be talked into bringing their fish and excellentl cheese business down there too; and perhaps Pete's coffee shop? Let's get the place moving a bit.

My major concern would be the effect that the brewery would have on the fledgling brewery just outside Kingscote.

Jeff Bancan > David Cowans

22 Jun 2016

David, do you not mind the loss of public community space for this, and the outright ownership of the space by a company who can then do whatever they like with it? Jeff B.

David Cowans > David Cowans

22 Jun 2016

This space is largely wastedcat the moment. I can see a vpossibility of the arrival of a vibrant, outgoing use for the area which is currently wasted. I am sure that vsuitrable caveats can be brought to bear in any contract for saalevwhich would prevent any unfortunate reuse of the area. For goodness sake, let's be positive and welcoming to organisations who are willing to invest their time and money in bringing new facilities to the island.

Jeff Bancan > David Cowans

23 Jun 2016

I was a tourist here a year ago and I was attracted to the little bits of history there surrounded by lawns and public spaces with views that are spectacular. had it now been "wasted" as you described it I may have found Kingscote to be just like any other over developed place and not bought a dance school here. I find these places unique and important to the identity of the town and its peoples. It does also bite into parkland on Lion Park and have a truck drive along side it instead of an historical preserve. I don't know how many jobs that sacrifice is supposed to be worth?

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > David Cowans

23 Jun 2016

Hi David,

Thanks for joining the discussion here and thanks for your comments. As far as opportunities to bring other businesses down to the wharf, an ROI will be launched next week over the remainder of the wharf.

- Anna

Nell Hall

21 Jun 2016

I am very concerned that this is not openly known about! Only came to notice by chance on Face book, then checked in local paper and it was in the Council Matters, had missed it so others probably had too. My concern is that it should also be developed down on the commercial area of the wharf, leaving the prime area above as community heritage/park land not to be sold off.

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Nell Hall

23 Jun 2016

Hi Nell,

Glad you found it! We've advertised through Council Matters for the last couple of weeks, and in the Advertiser last weekend. Please do forward on the link to anyone who you think might not hear about it - we're looking for everyone to have the opportunity to put in a submission if they are interested.

- Anna

Jeff Bancan

21 Jun 2016

So, it would be reasonable to assume that once the land is sold to a business like Bickfords, the very next day they can decide that they have changed their business plans and put the land on the market so it can be used for some other sort of business that wants our communities million dollar view? Therefore, by the council relinquishing control of the land, the community gets no say in what happens to it, now, later, or ever! Just the DA applications and whatever some rich person wants to do to it to make a buck.

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Jeff Bancan

23 Jun 2016

Hi Jeff,

While the final contractual arrangements won't be negotiated unless the proposal gets Stage 2 approval, this is the kind of thing that could be incorporated into the contract for sale of land if it goes ahead. If this is a strong concern for the community (that the land will be onsold or that the final development will be substantially different from the proposal), it is definitely something we can look at controlling should it go ahead.

- Anna

Jeff Bancan > Jeff Bancan

27 Jun 2016

Hi Anna,
I have been reading through some of the comments about the sketchiness of the proposal as it currently stands, and it makes it appear that the only question on the table at the moment is whether the crown land is going to be sold or not, and not really what it would be used for? If there is no clarity about 'exactly' how it is going to be used then is seems it is just a sale question at the moment. That makes it a little scary for me too. It has been a busy weekend for me, but I am waiting for tomorrow to try and ask the right questions about "can crown lands just sell off a towns parkland (that they own) if they want to without a town get-together on the issue?" and "is there actually anyone who can do anything about it?" I have seen around a hundred people comment online against the idea, but few have used the appropriate resource to inform you of their opinion. The Mayor has said that he has to date only heard mainly positives, which indicates again to me the great divide between what the constituents are thinking and what the powers that be are likely to do, not knowing otherwise. Is it possible to ask a crown lands representatives directly to offer two evenings where people could come in after work for an hour or so to discuss what is going on, and freely compare notes with you on what they have heard or seen? There has been chatter that the day time offer left many people out of this important change to the face of the town. Jeff B.

Leese Karran

21 Jun 2016

I think that selling off the land that also includes the old jail and police station is a terrible mistake for the local community and KI. Are those buildings heritage listed? Once the land is gone we can never get it back.

Jaz Gotham

21 Jun 2016

Certainly I think Kangaroo Island will benefit from investment in areas that will enhance tourism and local experiences. The development as it appears in the information presented in the public consultation seems positive. My primary concern is this: The Police Station and the Jail buildings are... NOT HERITAGE LISTED according to Anna Baulderstone who advised me of this at the open day today. I was very surprised to learn this and given the history they stand for on the Island would have thought their status as being Heritage listed would have been addressed many years ago. I would certainly feel more comfortable knowing that any potential developer of the area would be restricted in their movements with those two buildings. Private enterprise may have the investment capabilities to enhance these buildings and make them accessible for all on a daily basis whilst maintaining their historical integrity... however I don't think the community should leave that to chance. Wouldn't having the buildings Heritage Listed ensure the buildings are protected from demolition? From the information shared at the open day today Bickfords are only interested in maintaining and enhancing the Buildings however without Heritage Listing this is purely a choice as apposed to a requirement...

Jeff Bancan > Jaz Gotham

22 Jun 2016

Given the sudden revelation that the buildings are not heritage listed as we expected, shouldn't the whole thing be called off until it can be decided that the buildings are indeed worthy of this listing, as most if not all of the locals had assume they were, and that they be given this deserved listing before they get sold off without restriction? Jeff B.

Stephen Betheras

21 Jun 2016

The area and buildings which are being sold is the most valuable Community area in Kingscote. The Community has been waiting for a comprehensive plan to redevelop the whole Wharf precinct not just a piecemeal approach involving the sale of certain allotments. This is the role of Council and Government. This is the reason no one has put forward any sort of proposal for the area. None of us knew about the Unsolicited Approval approach to development. We have been blindsided by this unsolicited proposal. The Community use of the building proposed for sale for eg A Youth Centre , a Visitors Centre etc etc has not been allowed to be fully explored at this stage. In addition no one is aware that the whole wharf is for sale by tender soon.
The Streetscape created by the Distillery and Older Buildings as presented by the proposal is out of keeping with the character of the area.
Despite the disparaging view of some I and many Islanders are prodevelopment but not at any cost. We also have long memories having seen valuable Public space sold off with a future loss to the Community eg The Emu Bay Caravan Park.
There would be no problem if the area considered for sale was withdrawn and the whole Wharf precinct was tendered for. Why couldn't the Distillery be on the vacant allotments currently a carpark or other area of the precinct.

Dale Bennett > Stephen Betheras

23 Jun 2016

I'm making an assumption here Stephen, but I think the heritage buildings are a core part of what will be the brand image and marketing. In the premium spirits market, history, age and connection to place are all integral. Having a 200 odd year old gaol instantly connects the brand to the island for and back to this time... early settler, pirate-esque, explorer... and more marketing opportunities abound. This gives a new brand a jump start in the history stakes.

Jeff Bancan > Stephen Betheras

27 Jun 2016

Dale, you have been most thoughtful in your approach to this. I agree the town has been blindsided. Having discussed the way the land was previously offered for use to the community, it is becoming apparent that the community was still somehow unaware of the potential "community" uses that the site could have been used for. The lack of more than local heritage listing for the site seems to have been a surprise to many and therefore the lack of protection too. The town saw it as "Council land" and suddenly it is put to us that it is 'crown land' being sold off? A surprise as big as this in a local community where support and funding and charity for the site has a long history truly deserves a proper sit down discussion I would think. Jeff B.

Jeff Bancan > Stephen Betheras

27 Jun 2016

sorry, that was for Stephen, not Dale. For dale my comment is they can stick a picture of the gaol on the label if they like if they build it down the hill with the other industrial stuff, can't they? Jeff B.

Jared Karran

20 Jun 2016

There is plenty of space in the disused wharf area without selling off prime land and KI history. A commercial industrial distillery is best suited in the more commercial area of the lower wharf area and to leave the community prime land to more community minded ventures.

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Jared Karran

21 Jun 2016

Thanks for your comment Jared.

Jeff Bancan > Jared Karran

27 Jun 2016

Most agreed jarred etc.
Jeff Bancan

Penelope Horn

20 Jun 2016

At the end of the day no business or individual will ever put forward a project or plan that everyone will agree with or like. But let's be frank no one on the island has put forward anything like this for a space like we have before. And the biggest thing with this island is the lack of people who are open minded to and for change.
No one has ever had a problem with a pub being next to/ in proximity to a playground, yet when a big company that's not from the island puts forward a proposal everyone goes crazy and pulls out everyone excuse under the sun for why it's a bad idea.
I think it's a great idea and welcome any new business or venture on the island. If it creates jobs on Ki and brings tourists across. Bring it on.

Jeff Bancan > Penelope Horn

20 Jun 2016

You have asked us to give up community owned parkland for this enterprise....isn't that a bit different?

Jeff Bancan > Penelope Horn

27 Jun 2016

And you have called the people of the island not open minded or open to change. Insulting them doesn't help with the idea of the new distillery. As far as I can tell, the problems being discussing in internet forums is the lack of substantial information this is possible going ahead on, and the previous confusion about the site and how it could have been used in the past, or present, if we take some time as a community to clarify the issues around it. As I have previously commented to you, many people are concerned about the loss of the parkland.....is this what you may be interpreting as a rejection of change and new ideas? It would be hard, I imagine, to find anyone on the island who isn't pro the idea of things that create new jobs....it is just the costs that are in question here. I fear you have tarred everyone as nay-sayers, where perhaps they are just concerned locals? It is not my intention to offend you here. I do encourage you to look at the dotted lines in the proposal and walk the park fences, and see what parts would no longer be council controlled parkland. Where you comment on "every excuse under the sun", please just consider this one alone.... it may brighten your opinion of the nature of the locals to see what is being snipped away? Jeff B.

Jeff Bancan

20 Jun 2016

Breweries make a stench. There is also something fishy about public consultation that is only available between 10am and 4pm. I'm unsure which has the bigger stench. Sorry, but I felt strongly enough about the scam public consultation that I felt compelled to say this. Jeff B

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Jeff Bancan

21 Jun 2016

Anyone who can't make it to our times yesterday and today should feel free to contact me by email, phone, or join in the discussion here. Any submissions made to this page or to the Council consultation page are being taken into account in this consultation process.

Jeff Bancan

20 Jun 2016

The proposal takes away common community land with spectacular views and makes it owned by a private enterprise. The same business could operate a few yards lower near the wharf where other businesses would fit better with it's development. This public space should not be sold off. As the foreshore develops, there will be little pubic parklands left. Bickford say that it doesn't matter if they take away part of the Lion park as there is plenty of other park space. They are referring to a strip of green unfenced grass alongside a road with trees blocking the view. The nature of this community space reflects the very essence of who we are in Kingscote.... community space surrounded by the sea. Having their shop and restaurant and brewery there instead makes our town the same as any other overdeveloped town. The proposal probably takes advantage of a cash-strapped council who would rather earn some rates than pay to mow the lawn for the locals....a bit rude, and I don't believe the benefits will outweigh the losses and future losses selling off our parkland to private enterprises causes. Their driveway will chop down a huge and ancient pine tree, their trucks will drive on two sides of the children's park with the new road to the distillery running across what is now parkland. (I wonder what billboards on the side of the trucks will read as regular adds to the kids in the park?). The space they wish to use is intermittently used as assembly areas for fetes and street parades, which are currently expanding as community ventures in the Lions park and adjacent areas. There is a proposal about to go through for an Amphitheatre in the lower part of the Lions park, or where the old shed is next to it and the pine tree, to further develop the community use of the park in an endeavour to reduce drug use by engaging kids and families in bands, shows, dance, and public performances in the Lions park. The lower part of this current proposal has their trucks parking, and a driveway through, the area where this amphitheatre would sit. Funding for this performance stage would come from grants and local donations, and fundraisers in the local community by KIDS Dance Group and others to assure this type of development of the Lions park instead of it being sold off and reduced. Unfortunately the Amphitheatre is in it's early stages and is only a weak objection to the lower part of the development application. Still, selling off a part of such a beautiful public space for private enterprise would reduce the use and attractiveness of our town....the beautiful views from public spaces being one of the things that makes us who we are. I regret not having put in the proposal for the amphitheatre to council earlier rather than it being in public discussion only. Jeff Bancan, Kangaroo Island Dance School, and KIDS Dance Group (Registered Charity).

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Jeff Bancan

21 Jun 2016

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your comments and adding to the yourSAy discussion. It was great to meet with you yesterday and discuss your Amphitheatre idea.

Anna

Susan Parsons

20 Jun 2016

If managed correctly and community consultation run effectively, it could be a massive boost from an employment and tourism perspective. We need to start to think of new ways to attract visitors to our state and spend their $$ here and not elsewhere.

I admit I'm not familiar with the actual location so consideration to the surrounding environment to ensure the infrastructure is present to support increased numbers and think broader than just the micro brewery, could the space support a children's playground, picnic and BBQ area, bathrooms. This could be a joint venture project between the council, government and Bickfords. It would send a great message to the broader business community that come up with a good idea that will benefit the community and attract tourism in the state and partnering opportunities could exist.

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Unsolicited Proposal Case Manager - DEWNR > Susan Parsons

21 Jun 2016

Thanks for joining the discussion Susan. The proposal is to purchase land next to a current playground, picnic and BBQ area - so those facilities are already adjacent to the proposed site.

Anna

Stephen Betheras > Susan Parsons

21 Jun 2016

Susan the proposal is to buy and hence lose forever heritage listed Buildings including an old Gaol immediately adjacent to the mentioned playground ANZAC memorial BBQ area etc There is plenty of other room for this development to occur next to this area and keep the Buildings as Community assets.

Jeff Bancan > Susan Parsons

22 Jun 2016

"If managed correctly and community consultation run effectively, it could be a massive boost from an employment and tourism " Susan, aren't you noticing that the community consultation has been forced to a minimum, that the proposal is for minimal jobs production, and 'massive' is a word nowhere close to what is speculated here. The concept of 'managed correctly' is also mute, as once the land (that was common community land) is sold, it is now managed by a corporation with profit in mind, and not the island. I am sorry to be assertive here, but the loss of community land for this proposal....even the local council has had little to offer in discussions except what land is under consideration. There is so little information available there is no real community discussion and just a plan to sell off the prime real-estate. Please explore the proposal further...(Oh that's right...public discussion is over) and reconsider how you feel about this sell-off. Jeff B.