What are your views on the draft design of the Breakout Creek Stage 3 Redevelopment?

Read the Project Information Overview and the draft design and have your say on the Breakout Creek Stage 3 Redevelopment by commenting below.

Please note: Your submissions may be made publicly available in full on the Department for Environment and Water’s website unless you indicate on the submission that you wish for these to remain confidential.

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Nick Ryan

22 Sep 2020

I feel that there is little consideration for the horses remaining on the river. The River Torrens is a man-made river that takes stormwater out to sea. There will be little improvement of water quality when there are two stormwater drains so close to the outlet. The agistment area is not only used by horse owners, but is also frequently used for dog owners and runners who prefer an open space that is flat. More effort should be made to improve the paths and access points to improve access for all and understanding the history of the area. I feel the history that horses contributed to the area is going unnoticed and the history of the Kaurna people is being done in a tokenistic way. Focus should be made upstream if wanting one of the pillars to be water quality.

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Julie Zucker

22 Sep 2020

Please leave this stretch of the river as it is and has been for many decades. It hasn't been destroyed by the horses yet! Why buy property here if you do not like the surrounds! The current walking/cycling paths could do with an upgrade why not spend some money there. We don't need a viewing platform to stare at a couple of unhappy horses when you can feed carrots to them up close which is something enjoyed by many. The amount of man made pollution that comes down the river after a heavy rainfall far exceeds the amount of waste generated by the horses and I think there will be more pollution from humans using the area than from the horses. It is a lovely green stretch of land with abundant bird life and great views of the river without the need for boardwalks. I live in West Beach adjacent to the southern side of the river and walk or cycle the pathways everyday always thinking how lucky I am to live in this beautiful area. Let the riding club keep this bit of the river for their horses there is plenty of wetlands to enjoy a bit further on.

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Deb Cashel

21 Sep 2020

The plan for more wetlands along breakout creek is FANTASTIC. I believe that horses are not complementary with wetlands. It's time to phase them out of the area. A smaller agistment area is OK for now, but I'd like to see a plan of natural attrition and for the horse owners to pursue a different agistment area far away from a water course.

Geoff Short > Deb Cashel

22 Sep 2020

I also applaud the concept plan with all of its environmental and public access benefits. While I would prefer for the horses to be relocated, I think that the plan offers a reasonable compromise in allowing ongoing limited horse agistment, though, as Anne Wheaton points out, the horses should be fenced a minimum 5 metres away from the waters edge to prevent damage (consistent with Horse SA management guidelines). Also, can consideration be given to reverting to the original concept plan which gave the horses the Eastern (Tapleys Hill Road) half of the Southern bank. This would provide more chance of filtering of horse pollution through reed beds etc at the Western (Seaview Rd) end before flowing onto the beach/gulf.

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rita bennink

21 Sep 2020

Please in no way bow to pressure to give any more space to agisting horses. What already is proposed is very generous. While we all love horses the environment should always come first. Personally I would vote for no horse space beside the river.

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Ben Tucker

20 Sep 2020

I live in the Stage 3 area and am very disappointed that the horses will remain on the southern banks which means we continue to have to put up with the smell, the flies and the horse poo left there stinking out our street on summer days. Just as bad tho is we get very little added amenity from this development on our side of the river. Get rid of the horses they don’t belong there or in any urban area. This is an elitist privilege and the owners don’t offer public horse rides or classes for children or anyone. It reminds me of the private tennis club in the parklands, the entire area is reserved for the private use of a handful of elites and the land not available to the locals. Wake up to the locals needs more those who leave their horses to poo all over our neighbourhood and make us put up with it

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Graham Pring

19 Sep 2020

I walk along the Linear Park at least once per week from the beach to the City and find the area with horses quite incongruous with the idea of a clean River Torrens and use of public spaces.
Having old traditions such as horses along a Metropolitan water course only shows how values have changed since early days.
Floggings and capital punishment have been done away with in the same time frame.
I would suggest that no area should be allocated to horses in this day and age that drain onto a water course or allow horses to walk through it.
Perhaps the horse owners could have a discussion with SA Water and the West Torrens Council about the land on the southern side of Brownhill Creek and east of Tapleys Hill Road which currently has horses on it and does not flow into either Brownhill or Sturt Creeks.

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Camilla Kinnane

18 Sep 2020

I agree with Stuart Keynes comments that the whole trail and river banks should be open to the community and not the exclusive and private use of horse owners. Restoring the whole of the creek to a more natural ecosystem would be wonderful and beneficial to fauna and people alike. The proposal to retain horses on the river catchment area is completely inconsistent with a wide range of Government policies including SARDI water quality, community land access, and environmental bio diversity policies. The Lockleys Riding Club have already been supported through allocation of significant public money by the Council and Government to build a brand new Horse Arena, Feeding Bays and Clubrooms. They are many other more suitable locations for the horses (eg relocation to the area opposite the airport on West Beach Trust Land) that don't impact water quality and restrict public access.

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Anne Wheaton

17 Sep 2020

Wonderful presentations at Monday nights City of Charles Sturt Council meeting. Prof Chris Daniels gave an inspiring description of the concept plan and ecological benefits and we are all invited to be involved in Community consultation. Lockleys Riding Club also presented and gave us all an insight to the history of the horses on the river and retaining space for the horses is one of the 9 key design principles of Stage 3 redevelopment.

I hope that a viable solution can be found as my understanding is that to continue with 14 horses would require 33% of the southern bank – if they can only keep 25% of the southern bank would have to reduce the numbers to 8 which would not be viable for the LRC.

My main issue has been with the current and past access of the horses to the waterway and why this access was granted.

"Page 37 of Horses, Land & Water Management Guidelines (HORSE SA) states:

Introduction. Property owners have a responsibility under Sections 131 and 133 of the Natural Resources Management Act 2004 to not damage watercourses and to maintain them. When horses are allowed access to watercourses, including creeks,
dams, or erosion gullies, their hooves can easily disturb the fragile ground in these areas and lead to further erosion problems and disturbance of watercourse beds and banks.
Manure left in these areas, or which has been allowed to build up on slopes directly running off into a watercourse, can also pollute the watercourses as nutrients and pathogens run off, especially during periods of heavy rain.
Studies have shown that livestock do better when fed on reticulated water than water from creeks and dams during summer, when these supplies become limited and higher concentrations of salts and other nutrients affect the taste of the water.

Page 10 of Horsekeeping on small properties in the Mount Lofty Ranges fact sheet (Adelaide and Mount Lofty Ranges Natural Resources Management Board states:

Manure Management. Land managers have obligations under legislation, such as the
Environmental Protection Act 1993, to ensure manure is not a source of off-site pollution.
Manure left in paddocks not only poses a risk of environmental pollution, but can also cause under-utilisation of pastures since stock will not graze near manure clumps. It can also cause a build-up of harmful intestinal worms. Remove manure daily from stables, yards and intensive exercise areas and store in areas protected from rain and surface run-off to avoid
manure or leachate draining into a watercourse. If this occurs bacteria and nutrients can reduce water quality and increase algal growth, resulting in the death of aquatic life."

Anne Wheaton > Anne Wheaton

17 Sep 2020

Page 10 of Horsekeeping on small properties in the Mount Lofty Ranges fact sheet (Adelaide and Mount Lofty Ranges Natural Resources Management Board states:

“Steps to achieve best practice. Suggested actions are:–
Plan to fence off watercourses and riparian areas (at least 5 metres width from edge of watercourse), dams, erosion gullies etc as part of the property management plan.

In the past and present horses have been allowed on the watercourse. Will consideration be given to fence them back at least 5metres?

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Breakout Creek Stage 3 Project Team > Anne Wheaton

22 Sep 2020

Hi Anne, thank you for getting involved in the discussion. Regarding your question about fencing, the draft design proposes to position the fence away from the main channel although the exact distance is yet to be determined. Having the fence back from the main channel also allows ease of access for maintenance purposes.

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Lawrence Mayne

15 Sep 2020

I think the draft plan for the upgrade to the water channel looks great, some problems in it but still time to get it right. In terms of the current practice of flushing the water to clear out the muck accumulated in the river (or just the fouling that occurs when water is allowed to stagnate), we might be able to invest in some renewable low cost pumping solutions to aerate the water.I wouldn't want to pump the water with electricity, too expensive, but perhaps a windmill or something based on the tidal forces, something sustainable, that can maybe filter things as well as check for pollution in the river system. I'm sure there could be plenty of opportunities for science.

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Don Houston

11 Sep 2020

I would like to see all the horses removed from the Torrens river and placed next to the Western side or Southern side of the airport where they don't impose themselves on polluting the Torrens waterway or pose a danger for small children. Years ago my niece was bitten on the cheek and we had to take her to the ER for stiches. She and her sister both had their own horses to play with in the Adelaide hills and they really liked patting them when visiting me in West Beach. Zoe later became a horse Vet with many years of international experiences and has just returned to Adelaide from the Middle East after many years to set up a vet business specializing in horses, so her experience as young girl getting bitten didn't affect her at all but I still believe it is an unecessary risk for small children these days!!
The horse poo is a problem for polluting the river waterway because the horses do like to poo in the water shallows and then it is washed out to the beach and sea where the river meets the sea at West Beach Breakout Creek section where I live next door. Small children do love to play in the shallow water near and along the banks of the River along this particular section of the beach. I do realize that the horse people do collect some of the poo along the river but this does slacken off from time to time and it usually coincides with these surveys as to how often it does actually happen.
I would like to see the entire Southern section from Tapleys Hill Rd to the beach converted back to uninterrupted natural habitat so that the flora and fauna of the area has some chance of surviving well into the future years for everyone to enjoy the beauty of the region. This has become even more important recently with the damage caused by the 2020 bush fires and the resultant loss across Australia of our natural habitat which is the home of many of ourendangered creatures.

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Stuart Keynes

11 Sep 2020

Great idea. I always found the end of the linear park trail to be a bit jolting and obviously artificial. The horses were a nice curiosity for kids but I’d prefer the whole trail and river open to all users. It felt like that part of the river was privately owned. Restoring that section of the creek to a more natural ecosystem would be wonderful

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Helen Gummow

10 Sep 2020

Totally agree with Lynette - leave as is, spend the money elsewhere, it is lovely as it is. I so enjoy the horses and so do lots of children who come from other suburbs just to see the horses.

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Julie Tang

10 Sep 2020

I like the current artificial channel, its green banks and the horses there very much. I came from a overseas metropolitan city, when I first laid my sight on the banks with the horses, I felt I saw a Europe pasture land; after so many year, I still feel so. It's a change from the wetlands upstream, it’s the only piece that has a straight water flow like what a river-- so beautiful; the river can be easily seen from linear park, unlike at most of the wetland sections, the view is obscured by reeds; the river at this area is so clean-no accumulated rubbishes. Entertainment areas will only make the area less nature and less unique.
Please leave it as it is and spend the money to clean up the upstream rubbishes.

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Kym McKay

05 Sep 2020

The so called consultation with the Lockleys Riding Club by SA Water is more like dictation and they will ignore for as long as possible, the LRC has been more than cooperative and moved further down the breakout area as part of the Lockleys Oval upgrade, now only to be pressured into reducing numbers of their horses and an even smaller area for them to use, under the guise of “public Safety” . Typical of these Govt Depts and Boards Greening Adelaide is just a change of name from NRM the bully tactics stay the same.

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John Dundon

05 Sep 2020

Good design catering for the community along with aiding the environment. Many comments about the horses, they have been part of the community for a long time. Trusting ample consultation between the design team, the riding club, governance and the community adequately & equitably accommodates all into the future. Equally, cleaner water entering the gulf, filtered by aspects of this project is a must. Do however strongly disagree with flushing the city lake in summer onto our metro coast. It can't be good for the wetlands either? Has this been considered and a resolution obtained?

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Breakout Creek Stage 3 Project Team > John Dundon

07 Sep 2020

Hi John, Thanks for getting involved in the discussion. The Torrens Lake Project and resulting flows have been considered in the planning process. From the perspective of the project team, the resulting flows don’t compromise water quality in the lower River Torrens, particularly during Summer.

John Dundon > John Dundon

07 Sep 2020

Can we please be wholistic when discussing projects, their effects and benefits. My question of water quality is 2 pronged. One of the lower River Torrens but equally of the sea. Between the outlet and Grange Jetty. Both water quality and turbidity(clarity) greatly suffer for extensive periods after flushing the city lake. Clearly this is unacceptable to the beach communities. Worse when considering the flushing coincides with extended hot weather when the beaches are fully utilised. This CITY-BIASED practice needs either to cease or find project enabling filtering?

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Breakout Creek Stage 3 Project Team > John Dundon

09 Sep 2020

Hi John, while the water from those Torrens Lake flows is of a better quality than a normal stormwater flow, the completion of the Breakout Creek project will bring with it additional ‘water treatment’ benefits that will further improve the overall quality of water flowing from the outlet regardless of its source.

John Dundon > John Dundon

09 Sep 2020

The difference swimming 2k between the jetties in clarity and cleanliness is like 'chalk & cheese' prior to summer lake releases/flows to post releases/flows. Trusting that you are honest and forthright and this project will aid and make a significant difference. The bias of a city lake over 3.5km of coastline requires an urgent review of practice. Noting no coastal entities or coastal councils have or had input into this poor practice!

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Peter Pfennig

05 Sep 2020

The concept plan overall is excellent. Sure, it is a man made waterway, but creating opportunities for natural processes in it is a great initiative and leads the way for other ‘natural’ watercourses that we have destroyed across the Adelaide plains to be managed. I do think that too much land is given to horse use. This continues an existing arrangement that is not compatible with the waterway. There should be a process of removal of this over time an even consideration of those areas for other, more community focussed use. Perhaps even a partnership like the multi use cafe and function area at the Watershed near Mawson Lakes.

Walter Hastings > Peter Pfennig

06 Sep 2020

I disagree that "too much land is given to horse use". Waterways all around the world are natural environments for various animals. Perhaps the opposite is true and that too much land is given to human use. After all, the quality of water is mainly affected by human activity. Having and maintaining the horses at this location is a fantastic opportunity for many people to interact with them in what is and will become a much more built up environment. It is a bit of country in the city and allows the opportunity for people to connect with something they otherwise might not have the opportunity to experience.

Peter Matthew > Peter Pfennig

10 Sep 2020

Peter Pfenning please enlighten us on your evidence of “horses not being compatible with the waterway”? Not sure how you would then think a cafe would be more environmentally beneficial?

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Heath Hunter

04 Sep 2020

Looks great! Seem the new trees will be many decades away from developing hollows, it would be nice to see some nesting boxes installed for the microbats that hunt in the area. They could be very helpful with mosquito control.

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Lynette Whitby

04 Sep 2020

I disagree with one of the main premises of this plan. That is to return it to a more naturalistic setting. What nonsense. The Torrens used to go out to sea through other creek/river systems. That whole area is a man made canal. It never flowed out to sea through its own course. Leave the horses there. Been enjoying them since the 50's.

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Jim Douglas

04 Sep 2020

Congratulations on such a wonderful Concept Plan that has captured so much of what is required to provide great improvement to water quality and biodiversity. One only needs to look at what has been achieved within the first two stages to see that the Plan will enhance great opportunity for recreation, greatly improved environmental benefit, recognition of the First Nation People, nature play for children, increased tree canopy for heat reduction and so much more .The proposed storm water outlet mini wetlands are a great initiative as this will assist greatly in storm water cleansing before entering the main water way . I am of the opinion that more than sufficient land space has been allocated to the horses and I do have concerns that they will be far too close to the water way . The plan fails to show a elevation view and I am hoping that the horses will be in a elevated position higher on the bank to prevent manure entering the water way . It is a well known fact that horses and wetlands are not compatible as they are heavy hooved and will create a almost barren space. I would like to see a long term land lease reached with the horse owners of a non replacement natural attrition agreement that over time the horses do not occupy the wetland and the section rehabilitated to enhance the environmental values .

Kym McKay > Jim Douglas

05 Sep 2020

Same old spin Jim, always attack on the horses,

Peter Matthew > Jim Douglas

10 Sep 2020

C’mon Jim the horses have been there for over 50 years. I challenge you to show us the “almost barren space” they’ve created? Maybe someone wasn’t allowed to ride a pony at the Royal Show? Seriously, people go to that section of the river JUST TO SEE THE HORSES!!

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YourSAy > Jim Douglas

15 Sep 2020

Thank you both for your contributions.

Please remember to stay with our Community Guidelines and keep all discussion civil and related to the consultation.

Thank you

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George s

03 Sep 2020

The breakout creek stage 3 plans are a step in the right direction!
Excited to see the reduction in horse yards, as this sees the river returning to a more natural environment. Furthermore, an environment that can be accessed by a far greater proportion of the population.
The design of the public park at the end of Military Rd (Henley side) is a great addition as it will also open up the use of a public space.
The variety of natural areas that can be developed with this design is positive.
I am still strongly against the horses having water frontage, as this is against my understanding of water management, however take this as a step forward.

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Paul Laris

02 Sep 2020

Anyone who has seen the before and after effects of Stages 1 and 2 upstream from Tapleys Hill Road will appreciate how successful they have been. With the completion of Stage 3 we will have a fantastic recreational resource in a natural, vital bushland environment from the hills to the sea that will then link to the coastal path all along the metro coastline. This will be a great tourism asset as well. People will still get to see the horses, but they will also have a bountiful wetland environment with flora and fauna never before seen on this stretch. Water quality will be improved and so the Gulf and our beaches will benefit too as healthier seagrass beds help reduce beach erosion. The horses get around 25% of prime water frontage agistment as well as improved horse facilities at Apex Park. Surely a win for everyone?

Guy D > Paul Laris

05 Sep 2020

Yes, win win. The environmental challenges of retaining horses can be managed, and we can all enjoy viewing them from a viewing platform. Is it horse envy I wonder?
(not a horse owner).

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jane Schermer

02 Sep 2020

With regard to the planned breakout creek stage 3 redevelopment, please note I strongly DISAGREE with the reduction of land area allocated to the horse agistment. For years now the horse area has got smaller and smaller. Surely this doesn't have to be the case. Most people love to see the horses in this area. The Western Districts riding club grounds at West Beach were taken back by council. Please leave the remaining horse agistment area, as it is to make sure horse agistment and the Lockleys riding club remain viable. Former member of both clubs.

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